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Many of the missile strikes target civilian buildings and infrastructure (shopping malls, railway stations, markets) and are used to terrorise. Most of the mis

Many of the missile strikes target civilian buildings and infrastructure (shopping malls, railway stations, markets) and are used to terrorise. Most of the missile strikes have no military value, as Russia seems to withdraw from parts of Ukraine. Perhaps showing the group responsible would make them think about what they are doing besides inputting coordinates.

Synaesthesia 4y ago
The exact same thing could be said about the US, even worse.
- j-pb 4y ago
  Exactly. The people remote controlling drones into civilians in Ukraine should be held accountable, just like the people that killed civilians with hellfire missiles in Afghanistan should be held accountable. As a german I'd also like to see the german politicians and officials that enabled these operations from german territory persecuted.
  - IYasha 4y ago
    I'd also generalize that "people" remotely controlling armies should be held accountable. Since you're a german: I was reading hard to comeby chronicles and memoirs from before WW2 and there was this fact: russians and germans were close friends, people from military missions were calling each other brothers. This was frowned upon by the government... So, I'm saying, humans are generally peaceful and friendly, but are being manipulated. :(
  - prvit 4y ago
    > The people remote controlling drones into civilians in Ukraine should be held accountable, just like the people that killed civilians with hellfire missiles in Afghanistan should be held accountable Typical civilian deaths in Afghanistan would be e.g. families living with high ranking enemy combatants, totally incomparable with Russian forces bombing shopping malls in Ukraine. At least the US cares enough to have a man in the loop when killing with their drones. Chair force killers actually have to watch and pull the trigger, not like the Russian missile programmers remotely destroying city block sized targets.
    - j-pb 4y ago
      > Typical civilian deaths in Afghanistan would be e.g. families living with high ranking enemy combatants, totally incomparable with Russian forces bombing shopping malls in Ukraine. Except that that that's not true. [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] Let's be clear, what's happening in Ukraine is abhorrent, but let's also not pretend that the west cares a lot less and even actively participates in atrocities when the victims are not as white. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_war... 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007,_Baghdad_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007,_Baghdad_airstri... 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haska_Meyna_wedding_party_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haska_Meyna_wedding_party_airs... 3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wech_Baghtu_wedding_party_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wech_Baghtu_wedding_party_airs... 4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruzgan_helicopter_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruzgan_helicopter_attack 5: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_raid_on_Narang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_raid_on_Narang 6: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azizabad_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azizabad_airstrike 7: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granai_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granai_airstrike 8: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007,_Baghdad_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007,_Baghdad_airstri...
      - _kbh_ 4y ago
        The Americans made a new type of non explosive payload for a missile to reduce collateral damage. https://www.bellingcat.com/resources/how-tos/2021/08/26/the-telltale-traces-of-the-us-militarys-new-bladed-missile-r9x/ https://www.bellingcat.com/resources/how-tos/2021/08/26/the-... The Russians target shopping centres with weapons designed to take out American aircraft carriers. They aren’t really the same.
        j-pb 4y ago
        Those weren't build from the goodness of somebodies heart, but because the CIA realised that they can't win a war against combatants which they themselves created a constant supply of by blowing up their loved ones. Also, nobody ever argued that they are exactly the same, but both should be dragged in front of the Hague nevertheless. It matters little to the dead, injured, and loved ones, wether it happened to terrorise (as Russia does in Ukraine, or the US did in latin America and Iran) or because of apathy towards dehumanised people (as with the USA, UK, Germany, e.t.c. in Iraq and Afghanistan).

Synaesthesia 4y ago

The exact same thing could be said about the US, even worse.

j-pb 4y ago
Exactly. The people remote controlling drones into civilians in Ukraine should be held accountable, just like the people that killed civilians with hellfire missiles in Afghanistan should be held accountable. As a german I'd also like to see the german politicians and officials that enabled these operations from german territory persecuted.
- IYasha 4y ago
  I'd also generalize that "people" remotely controlling armies should be held accountable. Since you're a german: I was reading hard to comeby chronicles and memoirs from before WW2 and there was this fact: russians and germans were close friends, people from military missions were calling each other brothers. This was frowned upon by the government... So, I'm saying, humans are generally peaceful and friendly, but are being manipulated. :(
- prvit 4y ago
  > The people remote controlling drones into civilians in Ukraine should be held accountable, just like the people that killed civilians with hellfire missiles in Afghanistan should be held accountable Typical civilian deaths in Afghanistan would be e.g. families living with high ranking enemy combatants, totally incomparable with Russian forces bombing shopping malls in Ukraine. At least the US cares enough to have a man in the loop when killing with their drones. Chair force killers actually have to watch and pull the trigger, not like the Russian missile programmers remotely destroying city block sized targets.
  - j-pb 4y ago
    > Typical civilian deaths in Afghanistan would be e.g. families living with high ranking enemy combatants, totally incomparable with Russian forces bombing shopping malls in Ukraine. Except that that that's not true. [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] Let's be clear, what's happening in Ukraine is abhorrent, but let's also not pretend that the west cares a lot less and even actively participates in atrocities when the victims are not as white. 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_war... 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007,_Baghdad_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007,_Baghdad_airstri... 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haska_Meyna_wedding_party_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haska_Meyna_wedding_party_airs... 3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wech_Baghtu_wedding_party_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wech_Baghtu_wedding_party_airs... 4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruzgan_helicopter_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruzgan_helicopter_attack 5: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_raid_on_Narang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_raid_on_Narang 6: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azizabad_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azizabad_airstrike 7: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granai_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granai_airstrike 8: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007,_Baghdad_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007,_Baghdad_airstri...
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      The Americans made a new type of non explosive payload for a missile to reduce collateral damage. https://www.bellingcat.com/resources/how-tos/2021/08/26/the-telltale-traces-of-the-us-militarys-new-bladed-missile-r9x/ https://www.bellingcat.com/resources/how-tos/2021/08/26/the-... The Russians target shopping centres with weapons designed to take out American aircraft carriers. They aren’t really the same.
      - j-pb 4y ago
        Those weren't build from the goodness of somebodies heart, but because the CIA realised that they can't win a war against combatants which they themselves created a constant supply of by blowing up their loved ones. Also, nobody ever argued that they are exactly the same, but both should be dragged in front of the Hague nevertheless. It matters little to the dead, injured, and loved ones, wether it happened to terrorise (as Russia does in Ukraine, or the US did in latin America and Iran) or because of apathy towards dehumanised people (as with the USA, UK, Germany, e.t.c. in Iraq and Afghanistan).