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"However in classrooms with a well designed ventilation system you can keep the CO2 < 1000ppm during the whole school day." Where does "opening the windows" fi

by rsync 4y ago

"However in classrooms with a well designed ventilation system you can keep the CO2 < 1000ppm during the whole school day." Where does "opening the windows" fit in a scale of "well designed ventilation systems" ? I'm not being flip, or snarky - I'm serious. I don't think it's terribly sophisticated or haughty to consider lack of opening windows to be a poverty. Hotel rooms, hospital rooms, classrooms ... whatever ... windows that cannot be opened is a poverty.

kragen 4y ago
it varies, but usually opening the windows is plenty of ventilation unless it's not an option (e.g., because it's too hot or too cold outside) it's much more common to wish for bigger windows because you're hot than because you're falling asleep by virtue of stuffing 30 people into a single room you force them to compromise on environmental conditions; whoever's out in the tails of the distribution or has low social status is going to get screwed over because the resulting compromise will favor average people and people of high social status that's just how compromises work, people struggle to promote their conflicting interests, so popular people and people with popular interests win but typically you can still find a compromise that's pretty okay for 90+% of people (1000 ppmv - 420 ppmv) co₂ = 580 ppmv co₂ r 20° / 1 atm = 24 ℓ/mol 1 kg co₂ / day / 人 = 11.6 mg co₂ / s / 人 30 人 · 11.6 mg co₂ / s / 人 / (44 g co₂/mol co₂) = 7.9 mmol co₂ / s (a classroom) 7.9 mmol co₂ / s · 24 ℓ/mol = 0.19 ℓ co₂ / s 0.19 ℓ co₂ / s / 580 ppmv co₂ = 330 ℓ / s (of air) in medieval units that's about 700 'cfm' if the classroom has 10 m² of open windows you're fine, even an undetectable draft of 0.03 m/s is sufficient, but if it has 1 m² you need a barely detectable breeze of 0.3 m/s, if it has 0.1 m² you need a pretty noticeable breeze of 3 m/s ('light breeze' on the beaufort scale), and if it has a little 100-mm-square register you need 30 m/s which is a 'violent storm' on the beaufort scale (above 'whole gale') at 'fresh breeze' (8–11 m/s) you need 300–400 cm² of window well designed ventilation systems can provide this kind of airflow while controlling the temperature and humidity but they are at a big disadvantage because 300–400 cm² of window is a lot smaller than 300–400 cm² of duct sometimes that's not what matters most tho

by rsync 4y ago

kragen 4y ago

it varies, but usually opening the windows is plenty of ventilation unless it's not an option (e.g., because it's too hot or too cold outside) it's much more common to wish for bigger windows because you're hot than because you're falling asleep by virtue of stuffing 30 people into a single room you force them to compromise on environmental conditions; whoever's out in the tails of the distribution or has low social status is going to get screwed over because the resulting compromise will favor average people and people of high social status that's just how compromises work, people struggle to promote their conflicting interests, so popular people and people with popular interests win but typically you can still find a compromise that's pretty okay for 90+% of people (1000 ppmv - 420 ppmv) co₂ = 580 ppmv co₂ r 20° / 1 atm = 24 ℓ/mol 1 kg co₂ / day / 人 = 11.6 mg co₂ / s / 人 30 人 · 11.6 mg co₂ / s / 人 / (44 g co₂/mol co₂) = 7.9 mmol co₂ / s (a classroom) 7.9 mmol co₂ / s · 24 ℓ/mol = 0.19 ℓ co₂ / s 0.19 ℓ co₂ / s / 580 ppmv co₂ = 330 ℓ / s (of air) in medieval units that's about 700 'cfm' if the classroom has 10 m² of open windows you're fine, even an undetectable draft of 0.03 m/s is sufficient, but if it has 1 m² you need a barely detectable breeze of 0.3 m/s, if it has 0.1 m² you need a pretty noticeable breeze of 3 m/s ('light breeze' on the beaufort scale), and if it has a little 100-mm-square register you need 30 m/s which is a 'violent storm' on the beaufort scale (above 'whole gale') at 'fresh breeze' (8–11 m/s) you need 300–400 cm² of window well designed ventilation systems can provide this kind of airflow while controlling the temperature and humidity but they are at a big disadvantage because 300–400 cm² of window is a lot smaller than 300–400 cm² of duct sometimes that's not what matters most tho