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That's a really boring statement "One one side, apple not evil but a capitalist corporation, on the other side, google not evil but a capitalist corporation." w

That's a really boring statement "One one side, apple not evil but a capitalist corporation, on the other side, google not evil but a capitalist corporation." why would I say that to be more reasonable, that reasonable statement doesn't convey meaningful value in explaining why people are worked up. I think that the reason for people percieving apple as evil is because apple restricts the user, and forces the user to accept their terms. The reason for google being evil would be that they track everything and everybody, they have access to your (g)mail, they know what you search for, they know where you are when you search for what and when. It's not that they actually might be doing something with that data, but just by having that data, they have a force do to evil. A lesser evil is serving you ads for .NET CMS jobs when you are looking at gmail ;) CLEARLY that counts as evil.

realize 15y ago
I disagree that any of those things are "evil". Apple makes a product and service and clearly lays out what its for. Consumers can choose to buy into that or not. Apple isn't "forcing" anyone to accept their terms, people choose to accept them in return for certain products and services from Apple. If you don't want to, don't buy an iphone! "just by having that data, they have a force to do evil" -- sorry, but having a force to do evil is not in itself evil. EVERYONE has a force to do evil, I could go and chop up some bunnies for fun right now, but I choose not to, therefore I'm not evil. How is serving you ads evil? I really don't get that argument. Yes it's annoying, and sometimes distracting, but again, the price I choose to pay for products and services. No one is forcing you to use gmail, even by default; there are plenty of other options.
- sunkencity 15y ago
  Well I "disagree" with "you". There's a lot at stake, depending on the fate of mobile web and computer interfaces in general, and privacy issues as well.
  - realize 15y ago
    What would you rather be the case then? Let's say Apple don't restrict what you can do on your device, what does that look like? What do you think Apple should do differently, specifically?
    - fpgeek 15y ago
      In my opinion, Apple's original sin with iOS was banning side-loading. Many of the specific things they've done that I would call evil, for example: - squashing alternatives to built-in iOS apps - the attempt to ban iOS development in non-Apple-approved languages - the in-app purchase nonsense [apparently designed to prop up iBooks, among other things]) are only possible in the first place because of the side-loading ban. Making that one change (without changing the APIs, the App Store, approval policies, etc.) would go a long way towards fixing the aspects of the iOS platform that are problematic from the perspective of user freedom.
- slowpoke 15y ago
  >Apple isn't "forcing" anyone to accept their terms, people choose to accept them in return for certain products and services from Apple. The thing is, many people do not even know about, much less understand the ramifications of buying from Apple. And I find it sad that someone who does is still willing to castrate his own freedom for no gain whatsoever.

realize 15y ago

I disagree that any of those things are "evil". Apple makes a product and service and clearly lays out what its for. Consumers can choose to buy into that or not. Apple isn't "forcing" anyone to accept their terms, people choose to accept them in return for certain products and services from Apple. If you don't want to, don't buy an iphone! "just by having that data, they have a force to do evil" -- sorry, but having a force to do evil is not in itself evil. EVERYONE has a force to do evil, I could go and chop up some bunnies for fun right now, but I choose not to, therefore I'm not evil. How is serving you ads evil? I really don't get that argument. Yes it's annoying, and sometimes distracting, but again, the price I choose to pay for products and services. No one is forcing you to use gmail, even by default; there are plenty of other options.

sunkencity 15y ago
Well I "disagree" with "you". There's a lot at stake, depending on the fate of mobile web and computer interfaces in general, and privacy issues as well.
- realize 15y ago
  What would you rather be the case then? Let's say Apple don't restrict what you can do on your device, what does that look like? What do you think Apple should do differently, specifically?
  - fpgeek 15y ago
    In my opinion, Apple's original sin with iOS was banning side-loading. Many of the specific things they've done that I would call evil, for example: - squashing alternatives to built-in iOS apps - the attempt to ban iOS development in non-Apple-approved languages - the in-app purchase nonsense [apparently designed to prop up iBooks, among other things]) are only possible in the first place because of the side-loading ban. Making that one change (without changing the APIs, the App Store, approval policies, etc.) would go a long way towards fixing the aspects of the iOS platform that are problematic from the perspective of user freedom.
slowpoke 15y ago
>Apple isn't "forcing" anyone to accept their terms, people choose to accept them in return for certain products and services from Apple. The thing is, many people do not even know about, much less understand the ramifications of buying from Apple. And I find it sad that someone who does is still willing to castrate his own freedom for no gain whatsoever.