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> I went 2.5 years with no plane fights and minimal in-person contact to suddenly "everyone must get back to normal! get on those planes! let's have lots of fac

by bArray 4y ago

> I went 2.5 years with no plane fights and minimal in-person contact to suddenly "everyone must get back to normal! get on those planes! let's have lots of face to face meetings!" I don't know the author's background, but I really hate that otherwise normal people have been reduced to such measures. The advice to return to normal is good. 2.5 years of lockdown were mostly wasted - sorry, enjoy the resulting recession. If you are healthy, COVID is just a nasty flu. Take a few days off work, and go back knowing that your natural immunity will serve you well going forwards. One thing that doesn't appear to be addressed is that CO2 is a rough measure for potential exposure, but indoors the air circulation flow is really important. You want the air to take the longest possible path from another person before it meets you. Better yet through a filter, even better it never meets you at all.

legulere 4y ago
It’s a particularly nasty flu. You’re well advised to train your immune system before encountering the first time with vaccination. It also makes sense to reduce the dangers of infection (not just of Covid), as every infection also does lasting damage to your body including the immune system (there’s a really smart study about measles in the Netherlands about that). What you are doing is an optimization problem: you want to reduce your risk of getting infected while restricting yourself as few as possible. How restricting you find measures and how much you want to prevent getting infected is a very personal thing. I will wear masks while shopping and in public transportation, but I still go to restaurants (without masks). Other people will find masks too insufferable. Hand hygiene and air hygiene for new buildings should be a no-brainer though.
- bArray 4y ago
  > It’s a particularly nasty flu. No doubt, but for the majority it is recoverable. > You’re well advised to train your immune system before encountering the first time with vaccination. I believe that it's effectiveness is greatly reduced now. The available vaccine was for the alpha variant. From what I remember reading, it essentially no longer reduces the probability of you getting COVID at all, meaning your immune system is essentially unprepared (and hence can't defend against it). > It also makes sense to reduce the dangers of infection (not just of Covid), [..] Somewhat, but then you never end up building natural immunity to anything. You have those isolated tribes that would likely get killed off by the common cold if it was ever introduced to them. > How restricting you find measures and how much you want to prevent getting infected is a very personal thing. It is a personal thing, but it was also an idea inflicted on people. This was not generally well practised before, nor does it particularly have any benefit done in small (read one) isolated pockets. I believe we have all now seen people who are many-times vaccinated, wear multiples masks, avoid any contact with people, and yet are otherwise perfectly healthy. > Hand hygiene and air hygiene for new buildings should be a no-brainer though. Even prior to COVID, I wish more consideration was put in place for air quality. Bin the ionizers and get decent filters in place that reduce carbon dioxide filters.
hardaker 4y ago
> I don't know the author's background, but I really hate that otherwise normal people have been reduced to such measures. So, sorry if you read that as a complaint. But it was a feeling for how I think the world is reacting now. Not that it's necessarily bad -- as I think that after returning to normal levels of travel and in-person conversations, it's very clear to me that there was no good virtual alternative hallway conversations. That being said, it also feels like many meetings could be held virtually when there wasn't much need of true in-person interactions. However, to put one case in point: I had a fantastic trip to IETF-115 and much of that was likely because I was on-site. I'm glad I went.

by bArray 4y ago

legulere 4y ago

It’s a particularly nasty flu. You’re well advised to train your immune system before encountering the first time with vaccination. It also makes sense to reduce the dangers of infection (not just of Covid), as every infection also does lasting damage to your body including the immune system (there’s a really smart study about measles in the Netherlands about that). What you are doing is an optimization problem: you want to reduce your risk of getting infected while restricting yourself as few as possible. How restricting you find measures and how much you want to prevent getting infected is a very personal thing. I will wear masks while shopping and in public transportation, but I still go to restaurants (without masks). Other people will find masks too insufferable. Hand hygiene and air hygiene for new buildings should be a no-brainer though.

bArray 4y ago
> It’s a particularly nasty flu. No doubt, but for the majority it is recoverable. > You’re well advised to train your immune system before encountering the first time with vaccination. I believe that it's effectiveness is greatly reduced now. The available vaccine was for the alpha variant. From what I remember reading, it essentially no longer reduces the probability of you getting COVID at all, meaning your immune system is essentially unprepared (and hence can't defend against it). > It also makes sense to reduce the dangers of infection (not just of Covid), [..] Somewhat, but then you never end up building natural immunity to anything. You have those isolated tribes that would likely get killed off by the common cold if it was ever introduced to them. > How restricting you find measures and how much you want to prevent getting infected is a very personal thing. It is a personal thing, but it was also an idea inflicted on people. This was not generally well practised before, nor does it particularly have any benefit done in small (read one) isolated pockets. I believe we have all now seen people who are many-times vaccinated, wear multiples masks, avoid any contact with people, and yet are otherwise perfectly healthy. > Hand hygiene and air hygiene for new buildings should be a no-brainer though. Even prior to COVID, I wish more consideration was put in place for air quality. Bin the ionizers and get decent filters in place that reduce carbon dioxide filters.

hardaker 4y ago

> I don't know the author's background, but I really hate that otherwise normal people have been reduced to such measures. So, sorry if you read that as a complaint. But it was a feeling for how I think the world is reacting now. Not that it's necessarily bad -- as I think that after returning to normal levels of travel and in-person conversations, it's very clear to me that there was no good virtual alternative hallway conversations. That being said, it also feels like many meetings could be held virtually when there wasn't much need of true in-person interactions. However, to put one case in point: I had a fantastic trip to IETF-115 and much of that was likely because I was on-site. I'm glad I went.