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A financially independent woman in some developed countries today still doesn't necessarily get to choose when she will get pregnant, or by whom. Financial inde

A financially independent woman in some developed countries today still doesn't necessarily get to choose when she will get pregnant, or by whom. Financial independence does not trump social convention (especially since social convention dictates financial independence). Hell, just look at the USA. A woman still can't choose when she can or can't have a baby, regardless of her wealth. This being one of the supposed "civilized nations"; other nations are far less subtle with their societal controls.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
>A financially independent woman in some developed countries today still doesn't necessarily get to choose when she will get pregnant, or by whom. Then I would say she is not financially independent, since she cannot afford to hire sufficient security to protect her from rape. >Hell, just look at the USA. A woman still can't choose when she will or won't have a baby, regardless of her wealth. Unless one is being held captive, one’s wealth should allow access to IUDs and travel to jurisdictions where abortion is legal. At the least, there is sufficient rule of law where the societal norm is that rape is completely unacceptable.
- throwaway892238 4y ago
  You're about to be downvoted to hell, so allow me to quickly comment that you lack a certain amount of knowledge about the reality of women's reproductive rights in the USA. I'm not talking about rape at all. There are a variety of challenges to women just legally obtaining birth control in the USA, abortion is effectively illegal and unavailable to nearly all women in the USA (once again), and women need abortions for a whole lot more reasons than 'just' being raped. Although even on that front, it is, well, just completely insane to insinuate that a woman needs to be rich enough to hire a body guard to prevent her from being raped. I can't believe I had to type that sentence.
  - addingadimensio 4y ago
    Lol how many abortions are preformed yearly in the usa?
    - svieira 4y ago
      A number of children equal to either the entire population of either Fort Worth, TX or Baltimore, MD (depending on whether or not you believe Guttmacher or the CDC) is killed every year [2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b... [2]: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/24/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-u-s-2/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/24/what-the-da...
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    You will have to provide some sources for your claims, because I have read that quite a few US states have explicitly made abortion legal in recent months. And the Affordable Care Act made birth control free for many, many people: https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/09/politics/abortion-rights-2022-midterms/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/09/politics/abortion-rights-2022... https://www.healthcare.gov/coverage/birth-control-benefits/ https://www.healthcare.gov/coverage/birth-control-benefits/ Also, I am using the term financially free to mean a person who not only has civil rights that would prevent them from ever becoming pregnant without their permission, but also someone who cannot be coerced, such as a woman with sufficient assets or income to sustain (and protect) herself. >just completely insane to insinuate that a woman needs to be rich enough to hire a body guard to prevent her from being raped. Yes, unfortunately, some women are born in societies where the concept of rape is not completely rejected.
  - jacobriis 4y ago
    "Abortion is effectively illegal and unavailable to nearly all women in the USA" In reality abortion is readily available until birth in many jurisdictions.
  - nxm 4y ago
    Abortion is not illegal in the US… please read up on what Roe v. Wade overturn actually did - returned the decision to the states.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

>A financially independent woman in some developed countries today still doesn't necessarily get to choose when she will get pregnant, or by whom. Then I would say she is not financially independent, since she cannot afford to hire sufficient security to protect her from rape. >Hell, just look at the USA. A woman still can't choose when she will or won't have a baby, regardless of her wealth. Unless one is being held captive, one’s wealth should allow access to IUDs and travel to jurisdictions where abortion is legal. At the least, there is sufficient rule of law where the societal norm is that rape is completely unacceptable.

throwaway892238 4y ago
You're about to be downvoted to hell, so allow me to quickly comment that you lack a certain amount of knowledge about the reality of women's reproductive rights in the USA. I'm not talking about rape at all. There are a variety of challenges to women just legally obtaining birth control in the USA, abortion is effectively illegal and unavailable to nearly all women in the USA (once again), and women need abortions for a whole lot more reasons than 'just' being raped. Although even on that front, it is, well, just completely insane to insinuate that a woman needs to be rich enough to hire a body guard to prevent her from being raped. I can't believe I had to type that sentence.
- addingadimensio 4y ago
  Lol how many abortions are preformed yearly in the usa?
  - svieira 4y ago
    A number of children equal to either the entire population of either Fort Worth, TX or Baltimore, MD (depending on whether or not you believe Guttmacher or the CDC) is killed every year [2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b... [2]: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/24/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-u-s-2/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/24/what-the-da...
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  You will have to provide some sources for your claims, because I have read that quite a few US states have explicitly made abortion legal in recent months. And the Affordable Care Act made birth control free for many, many people: https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/09/politics/abortion-rights-2022-midterms/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/09/politics/abortion-rights-2022... https://www.healthcare.gov/coverage/birth-control-benefits/ https://www.healthcare.gov/coverage/birth-control-benefits/ Also, I am using the term financially free to mean a person who not only has civil rights that would prevent them from ever becoming pregnant without their permission, but also someone who cannot be coerced, such as a woman with sufficient assets or income to sustain (and protect) herself. >just completely insane to insinuate that a woman needs to be rich enough to hire a body guard to prevent her from being raped. Yes, unfortunately, some women are born in societies where the concept of rape is not completely rejected.
- jacobriis 4y ago
  "Abortion is effectively illegal and unavailable to nearly all women in the USA" In reality abortion is readily available until birth in many jurisdictions.
- nxm 4y ago
  Abortion is not illegal in the US… please read up on what Roe v. Wade overturn actually did - returned the decision to the states.