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These aren't even the beginning of the factors involved in child birth rates. Population is controlled by religion, government policy, cultural practice, wealth

These aren't even the beginning of the factors involved in child birth rates. Population is controlled by religion, government policy, cultural practice, wealth, quality of life, social equality, education, trade, war, climate, and a host of other factors. Any one of them could change and affect the population; multiple could change and shift it radically. And we cannot predict any of them with certainty even in 50 years, much less 100, for the entire planet. If you don't believe me, look at history. Plenty of times in history there have been great civilizations that grew and grew until they collapsed, or periods of great societal progress followed by periods of great strife, or periods of great feast followed by famine. Some of these periods lasted hundreds of years. Even today there are nations that forcibly control population whereas others do not. Some developing nations starve due to international trade policy while others grow to provide most of their needs. Some become more radically conservative while others grow more liberal. Some countries collapse economically while others become burgeoning super-powers. And all this in the face of global climate change on a scale not seen in millennia.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
>religion, government policy, cultural practice, wealth, quality of life, social equality, education, trade, war, climate, and a host of other factors. Which all are taken into account, by the financially independent woman choosing to get pregnant (because they have access to very effective birth control and are not being forced to have sex, and have abortion as an option). >And all this in the face of global climate change on a scale not seen in millennia. I think the biggest thing that has not been seen regarding population dynamics is women having complete control over if, when, and how many children they have.
- throwaway892238 4y ago
  A financially independent woman in some developed countries today still doesn't necessarily get to choose when she will get pregnant, or by whom. Financial independence does not trump social convention (especially since social convention dictates financial independence). Hell, just look at the USA. A woman still can't choose when she can or can't have a baby, regardless of her wealth. This being one of the supposed "civilized nations"; other nations are far less subtle with their societal controls.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    >A financially independent woman in some developed countries today still doesn't necessarily get to choose when she will get pregnant, or by whom. Then I would say she is not financially independent, since she cannot afford to hire sufficient security to protect her from rape. >Hell, just look at the USA. A woman still can't choose when she will or won't have a baby, regardless of her wealth. Unless one is being held captive, one’s wealth should allow access to IUDs and travel to jurisdictions where abortion is legal. At the least, there is sufficient rule of law where the societal norm is that rape is completely unacceptable.
    - throwaway892238 4y ago
      You're about to be downvoted to hell, so allow me to quickly comment that you lack a certain amount of knowledge about the reality of women's reproductive rights in the USA. I'm not talking about rape at all. There are a variety of challenges to women just legally obtaining birth control in the USA, abortion is effectively illegal and unavailable to nearly all women in the USA (once again), and women need abortions for a whole lot more reasons than 'just' being raped. Although even on that front, it is, well, just completely insane to insinuate that a woman needs to be rich enough to hire a body guard to prevent her from being raped. I can't believe I had to type that sentence.
      - addingadimensio 4y ago
        Lol how many abortions are preformed yearly in the usa?
        svieira 4y ago
        A number of children equal to either the entire population of either Fort Worth, TX or Baltimore, MD (depending on whether or not you believe Guttmacher or the CDC) is killed every year [2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b... [2]: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/24/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-u-s-2/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/24/what-the-da...
- unrealhoang 4y ago
  How can all that be taken into account when we are currently living under only one specific configuration? Women under our current configuration do not choose to get pregnant simply because the current society doesn’t value repopulation. When we as a society value a birthing mother more than a successful business person we will have more babies. It’s that simple.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    >When we as a society value a birthing mother more than a successful business person we will have more babies. It’s that simple. This is what I mean. Not that each woman is explicitly evaluating all of those factors, but implicitly, they all culminate in an environment where a woman may or may not choose to have x number of children.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

>religion, government policy, cultural practice, wealth, quality of life, social equality, education, trade, war, climate, and a host of other factors. Which all are taken into account, by the financially independent woman choosing to get pregnant (because they have access to very effective birth control and are not being forced to have sex, and have abortion as an option). >And all this in the face of global climate change on a scale not seen in millennia. I think the biggest thing that has not been seen regarding population dynamics is women having complete control over if, when, and how many children they have.

throwaway892238 4y ago
A financially independent woman in some developed countries today still doesn't necessarily get to choose when she will get pregnant, or by whom. Financial independence does not trump social convention (especially since social convention dictates financial independence). Hell, just look at the USA. A woman still can't choose when she can or can't have a baby, regardless of her wealth. This being one of the supposed "civilized nations"; other nations are far less subtle with their societal controls.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  >A financially independent woman in some developed countries today still doesn't necessarily get to choose when she will get pregnant, or by whom. Then I would say she is not financially independent, since she cannot afford to hire sufficient security to protect her from rape. >Hell, just look at the USA. A woman still can't choose when she will or won't have a baby, regardless of her wealth. Unless one is being held captive, one’s wealth should allow access to IUDs and travel to jurisdictions where abortion is legal. At the least, there is sufficient rule of law where the societal norm is that rape is completely unacceptable.
  - throwaway892238 4y ago
    You're about to be downvoted to hell, so allow me to quickly comment that you lack a certain amount of knowledge about the reality of women's reproductive rights in the USA. I'm not talking about rape at all. There are a variety of challenges to women just legally obtaining birth control in the USA, abortion is effectively illegal and unavailable to nearly all women in the USA (once again), and women need abortions for a whole lot more reasons than 'just' being raped. Although even on that front, it is, well, just completely insane to insinuate that a woman needs to be rich enough to hire a body guard to prevent her from being raped. I can't believe I had to type that sentence.
    - addingadimensio 4y ago
      Lol how many abortions are preformed yearly in the usa?
      - svieira 4y ago
        A number of children equal to either the entire population of either Fort Worth, TX or Baltimore, MD (depending on whether or not you believe Guttmacher or the CDC) is killed every year [2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b... [2]: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/24/what-the-data-says-about-abortion-in-the-u-s-2/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/06/24/what-the-da...
unrealhoang 4y ago
How can all that be taken into account when we are currently living under only one specific configuration? Women under our current configuration do not choose to get pregnant simply because the current society doesn’t value repopulation. When we as a society value a birthing mother more than a successful business person we will have more babies. It’s that simple.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  >When we as a society value a birthing mother more than a successful business person we will have more babies. It’s that simple. This is what I mean. Not that each woman is explicitly evaluating all of those factors, but implicitly, they all culminate in an environment where a woman may or may not choose to have x number of children.