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And here are some counter points: Oldest known vegan - Dr Wareham (heart surgeon) - 104 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellsworth_Wareham https://en.wikip

And here are some counter points: Oldest known vegan - Dr Wareham (heart surgeon) - 104 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellsworth_Wareham https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellsworth_Wareham Athletes thriving on a plant-based diet: https://gamechangersmovie.com/ https://gamechangersmovie.com/ 100s of physicians recommending a plant based diet: https://www.pcrm.org/ https://www.pcrm.org/ Vegan doesn't mean automatically being healthy. Vegan is mainly about being cruelty free as much as possible, as killing and exploiting animals is cruel. By adopting a plant based whole food diet you can be healthy and at the same time reduce your carbon footprint and damage to our biosphere. Just don't eat Pringles and drink Coke all day (technically being vegan).

dennis_jeeves1 4y ago
All of that data is suspect. About 2 decades back I used to believe that that at lest some people can thrive without any animal products. If you thought that a large number of experts (docs in this case) collectively cannot get it wrong , you are I have a different judgment to our fellow simians....
- uxcolumbo 4y ago
  What data? I didn’t mention any data… and you didn’t you either btw. I posted some examples negating your absolute statements. Do some ppl need animal products because of medical reasons? Peobably. But claiming that humans needs animal products to live and thrive is quite the statement. Several national health organisation say otherwise. They say a plant based diet can be healthy with careful planning. Are they wrong as well? Some other anecdotal evidence… myself. I’m on a animal product free diet and did some blood work… my doc says I should continue doing whatever I’m doing.
  - dennis_jeeves1 4y ago
    >But claiming that humans needs animal products to live and thrive is quite the statement. Several national health organisation say otherwise. They say a plant based diet can be healthy with careful planning. Are they wrong as well? Yes they are. If consensus is your only way you determine if a piece of information is correct, they you and I can never agree.
    - uxcolumbo 4y ago
      So you think various health organizations, like the NHS, Harvard Health, USDA, WHO etc are wrong? If you ignore scientific evidence or medical consensus then yes I agree - no point continuing this discussion.
      - dennis_jeeves1 4y ago
        >So you think various health organizations, like the NHS, Harvard Health, USDA, WHO etc are wrong? Yep. though a broken clock is also correct twice a day, not sure what proportion of advise they give is wrong.
        uxcolumbo 4y ago
        Like I said - no point in continuing discussions if you just dismiss medical facts that don't fit your narrative.
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dennis_jeeves1 4y ago

All of that data is suspect. About 2 decades back I used to believe that that at lest some people can thrive without any animal products. If you thought that a large number of experts (docs in this case) collectively cannot get it wrong , you are I have a different judgment to our fellow simians....

uxcolumbo 4y ago
What data? I didn’t mention any data… and you didn’t you either btw. I posted some examples negating your absolute statements. Do some ppl need animal products because of medical reasons? Peobably. But claiming that humans needs animal products to live and thrive is quite the statement. Several national health organisation say otherwise. They say a plant based diet can be healthy with careful planning. Are they wrong as well? Some other anecdotal evidence… myself. I’m on a animal product free diet and did some blood work… my doc says I should continue doing whatever I’m doing.
- dennis_jeeves1 4y ago
  >But claiming that humans needs animal products to live and thrive is quite the statement. Several national health organisation say otherwise. They say a plant based diet can be healthy with careful planning. Are they wrong as well? Yes they are. If consensus is your only way you determine if a piece of information is correct, they you and I can never agree.
  - uxcolumbo 4y ago
    So you think various health organizations, like the NHS, Harvard Health, USDA, WHO etc are wrong? If you ignore scientific evidence or medical consensus then yes I agree - no point continuing this discussion.
    - dennis_jeeves1 4y ago
      >So you think various health organizations, like the NHS, Harvard Health, USDA, WHO etc are wrong? Yep. though a broken clock is also correct twice a day, not sure what proportion of advise they give is wrong.
      - uxcolumbo 4y ago
        Like I said - no point in continuing discussions if you just dismiss medical facts that don't fit your narrative.
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