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I honestly think we should just let conservative states devolve into hellscapes of tyrrany. We need conservatives to admit how shitty they are making their own

I honestly think we should just let conservative states devolve into hellscapes of tyrrany. We need conservatives to admit how shitty they are making their own lives and take some responsibility for the democracy and freedom they pay lip service to.

WesolyKubeczek 4y ago
So, maybe border control around them and visas too? Sure would be interesting.
- db48x 4y ago
  If you think that there is a problem you want to fix, at least try to avoid proposing unconstitutional "fixes".
  - thrillgore 4y ago
    I'm willing to let it ride for them, since they hold the Constitution in contempt and are actively withering it away.
  - WesolyKubeczek 4y ago
    I mean, if you want some states to behave like completely different countries with laws and governance model radically different from what the rest of the states have, you could just as well drop all the pretense and introduce their own borders, own army, and so on. (shrug) This is what my comment has been about. It could be an interesting thought experiment.
muaytimbo 4y ago
renewiltord 4y ago
It's the classic Mississippi problem. It turns out you can actually make life hard for a subsector of the population while keeping life good for yourself. In some sense, if we have to spend to liberate Kherson, perhaps we have to spend to liberate Mississippi.
krapp 4y ago
Unfortunately, the political structure of the US is designed to cater to conservative states and their agenda. Which means they'll just drag the rest of the country into the hellscape with them.
MandieD 4y ago
Whenever I start thinking like this about my home state (yep, Texas), I remember all the people who can't leave, mostly due to finances, some due to family, and some like a close friend with severe muscular dystrophy for whom a trip more than 20 minutes or so would require an ambulance. I don't think she's ever left the state, and I know she hasn't left the county in the past decade. Dumb luck happened to have her house on one of the few circuits in town that didn't lose power for days during the 2021 winter storm. We did a fund raiser to add a generator and other renovations (no-so-fun fact: Texas Medicaid recipients can't have more than $2000 in liquid assets) This friend campaigned as hard as she could for O'Rourke, because she has a much more optimistic view of human nature and our fellow Texans than I do, and really wanted Texas to take the mostly-federally-funded Medicaid expansion. Always remember: over 40% of Texas voters consistently do want better for themselves and their state, and it's similar across the country.

WesolyKubeczek 4y ago

So, maybe border control around them and visas too? Sure would be interesting.

db48x 4y ago
If you think that there is a problem you want to fix, at least try to avoid proposing unconstitutional "fixes".
- thrillgore 4y ago
  I'm willing to let it ride for them, since they hold the Constitution in contempt and are actively withering it away.
- WesolyKubeczek 4y ago
  I mean, if you want some states to behave like completely different countries with laws and governance model radically different from what the rest of the states have, you could just as well drop all the pretense and introduce their own borders, own army, and so on. (shrug) This is what my comment has been about. It could be an interesting thought experiment.

muaytimbo 4y ago

renewiltord 4y ago

It's the classic Mississippi problem. It turns out you can actually make life hard for a subsector of the population while keeping life good for yourself. In some sense, if we have to spend to liberate Kherson, perhaps we have to spend to liberate Mississippi.

krapp 4y ago

Unfortunately, the political structure of the US is designed to cater to conservative states and their agenda. Which means they'll just drag the rest of the country into the hellscape with them.

MandieD 4y ago

Whenever I start thinking like this about my home state (yep, Texas), I remember all the people who can't leave, mostly due to finances, some due to family, and some like a close friend with severe muscular dystrophy for whom a trip more than 20 minutes or so would require an ambulance. I don't think she's ever left the state, and I know she hasn't left the county in the past decade. Dumb luck happened to have her house on one of the few circuits in town that didn't lose power for days during the 2021 winter storm. We did a fund raiser to add a generator and other renovations (no-so-fun fact: Texas Medicaid recipients can't have more than $2000 in liquid assets) This friend campaigned as hard as she could for O'Rourke, because she has a much more optimistic view of human nature and our fellow Texans than I do, and really wanted Texas to take the mostly-federally-funded Medicaid expansion. Always remember: over 40% of Texas voters consistently do want better for themselves and their state, and it's similar across the country.