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Odin is a programming language without any silly complex build system, it is as simple as "odin build .", even for large projects. Linking is done by describin

Odin is a programming language without any silly complex build system, it is as simple as "odin build .", even for large projects. Linking is done by describing it as part of the code with its `foreign` system [1][2]. The benefit of this approach is that your code itself describes what needs to be linked against what. It also has the benefit that if you don't use a foreign library, it doesn't get linked against due to its minimal dependency system. If you want to see huge examples of this, I recommend checking out the vendor library collection[3]. n.b. I am the creator of Odin, and one of the original goals was to create a language that didn't necessitate a complex build system and just get to programming. Requiring a complex build system and package manager are anti-features in my opinion and make programming a worse experience to use. Odin borrows heavily from (in order of philosophy and impact): Pascal, C, Go, Oberon-2, Newsqueak, GLSL.[4] Niklaus Wirth and Rob Pike have been the programming language design idols throughout this project. [1] https://odin-lang.org/docs/overview/#foreign-system https://odin-lang.org/docs/overview/#foreign-system [2] https://odin-lang.org/news/binding-to-c/ https://odin-lang.org/news/binding-to-c/ [3] https://github.com/odin-lang/Odin/tree/master/vendor https://github.com/odin-lang/Odin/tree/master/vendor [4] https://odin-lang.org/docs/faq/#what-have-been-the-major-influences-in-the-languages-design https://odin-lang.org/docs/faq/#what-have-been-the-major-inf...

CPUTranslator 4y ago
+1 for Odin. It's a very nice language to use, very rarely has bugs in the compiler, and has never required more than an 'odin build .' to build my projects. It does a lot of things right and removes a lot of the cruft of other languages.
- satellites 4y ago
  In the rare instances where you do have bugs in the compiler, have you been able to resolve them reasonably? Or is it deeper language issues that you then have to work around? Not trying to poke holes; it seems really cool and I want to try it myself soon.
  - CPUTranslator 4y ago
    Most compiler bugs I’ve seen (a rare occurrence) had decent workarounds that didn’t require much effort, and kept me moving while I waited for a fix (the community responds very fast). Overall, the design of the language is very clean and well thought out. Every decision that was made, and continues to be made, feels like it was put there for a reason; and, for the most part, nothing feels out of place.
svnpenn 4y ago
Odin has poor support for Windows: https://github.com/odin-lang/Odin/discussions/2047 https://github.com/odin-lang/Odin/discussions/2047
- _gabe_ 4y ago
  This issue is asking Odin to move away from Visual Studio (by which I assume they just mean the MSVC toolset), which is by far a highly preferred environment for C++ programming on Windows[0]. Saying it has poor support for windows because of this is a bit hyperbolic at best and misleading at worst. Additionally, the issue has a build script using a different compiler and the asker basically said it wasn't good enough for them. [0]: https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2021/cpp/ https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2021/cpp/ According to this survey, Visual Studio is preferred by 24% of respondents, just behind VsCode and CLion. And MSVC is the 3rd most popular compiler, just behing gcc and clang. And keep in mind these results are across all C++ developers, not just windows developers.
  - svnpenn 4y ago
    Visual Studio is a bloated mess, and has been for many years. Its at least 10 times larger than other options, such as MinGW-LLVM: https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw
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  - simplotek 4y ago
    > This issue is asking Odin to move away from Visual Studio (by which I assume they just mean the MSVC toolset), which is by far a highly preferred environment for C++ programming on "[0]. Your source does not support your claim at all. Even though vscose and Visual Studio are reported as popular IDEs, you're not talking about IDEs. You're discussing compilers and compiler toolchains, which is not the same thing as a IDE. Microsoft's msvc compiler is not the same as Microsoft's Visual Studio. Visual Studio is an IDE which, among other things, uses msbuild and msvc compiler. The poll you quoted states that 78% use GCC regularly, followed by clang being used regularly by 43%. Microsoft's msvc compiler is in 3rd place at 30%. The same poll also points out that 55% uses cake and 36% use Makefiles regularly, and Visual Studio projects showing up in 3rd place with 31%.

CPUTranslator 4y ago

+1 for Odin. It's a very nice language to use, very rarely has bugs in the compiler, and has never required more than an 'odin build .' to build my projects. It does a lot of things right and removes a lot of the cruft of other languages.

satellites 4y ago
In the rare instances where you do have bugs in the compiler, have you been able to resolve them reasonably? Or is it deeper language issues that you then have to work around? Not trying to poke holes; it seems really cool and I want to try it myself soon.
- CPUTranslator 4y ago
  Most compiler bugs I’ve seen (a rare occurrence) had decent workarounds that didn’t require much effort, and kept me moving while I waited for a fix (the community responds very fast). Overall, the design of the language is very clean and well thought out. Every decision that was made, and continues to be made, feels like it was put there for a reason; and, for the most part, nothing feels out of place.

svnpenn 4y ago

Odin has poor support for Windows: https://github.com/odin-lang/Odin/discussions/2047 https://github.com/odin-lang/Odin/discussions/2047

_gabe_ 4y ago
This issue is asking Odin to move away from Visual Studio (by which I assume they just mean the MSVC toolset), which is by far a highly preferred environment for C++ programming on Windows[0]. Saying it has poor support for windows because of this is a bit hyperbolic at best and misleading at worst. Additionally, the issue has a build script using a different compiler and the asker basically said it wasn't good enough for them. [0]: https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2021/cpp/ https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2021/cpp/ According to this survey, Visual Studio is preferred by 24% of respondents, just behind VsCode and CLion. And MSVC is the 3rd most popular compiler, just behing gcc and clang. And keep in mind these results are across all C++ developers, not just windows developers.
- svnpenn 4y ago
  Visual Studio is a bloated mess, and has been for many years. Its at least 10 times larger than other options, such as MinGW-LLVM: https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw https://github.com/mstorsjo/llvm-mingw
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- simplotek 4y ago
  > This issue is asking Odin to move away from Visual Studio (by which I assume they just mean the MSVC toolset), which is by far a highly preferred environment for C++ programming on "[0]. Your source does not support your claim at all. Even though vscose and Visual Studio are reported as popular IDEs, you're not talking about IDEs. You're discussing compilers and compiler toolchains, which is not the same thing as a IDE. Microsoft's msvc compiler is not the same as Microsoft's Visual Studio. Visual Studio is an IDE which, among other things, uses msbuild and msvc compiler. The poll you quoted states that 78% use GCC regularly, followed by clang being used regularly by 43%. Microsoft's msvc compiler is in 3rd place at 30%. The same poll also points out that 55% uses cake and 36% use Makefiles regularly, and Visual Studio projects showing up in 3rd place with 31%.