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This looks bad. Well, the writing was on the wall since the device scanning plans. I hope Apple loses a hefty sum of money for a clear wakeup call. They need

This looks bad. Well, the writing was on the wall since the device scanning plans. I hope Apple loses a hefty sum of money for a clear wakeup call. They need to make a decision now, double down on the commitment to protect the users privacy, or go the Google way and lose the privacy concious customers, which I could imagine could be quite many.

goodSteveramos 4y ago
Loose them to who? To Google? We need antitrust to break the bundling of Operating Systems and services. The fact that the US government went after Microsoft for setting Internet Explorer as the default but lets Apple ban sideloading entirely shows how political and not economic these problems are.
- themihai 4y ago
  >> We need antitrust to break the bundling of Operating Systems and services. The EU will force them do just that. I believe it's part of the Digital Markets Act
  - goodSteveramos 4y ago
    Despite the congratulatory press, that law allows Apple to make the final determination of what software is and is not allowed to run on your computer or phone. So no, it doesnt force them to let you run whatever software you want.
    - goodSteveramos 4y ago
      It sounds like apple can still stop you from running software “for security”. Hard to tell from the wording what it really means >in order to ensure that third-party software applications or software application stores do not undermine end users’ security, it should be possible for the gatekeeper to implement strictly necessary and proportionate measures https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?toc=OJ%3AL%3A2022%3A265%3ATOC&uri=uriserv%3AOJ.L_.2022.265.01.0001.01.ENG https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?toc=OJ%3AL%3...
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mhoad 4y ago
It actually seems fairly clear by this point that Apple does not actually give a shit about privacy except as a marketing tool to use in their fight against Google. They have also shown a willingness to actively work with authoritarian regimes like the CCP to actively remove privacy protections and build out an extremely sketchy supply chain.
- goodSteveramos 4y ago
  These are literally not the ways Apple violates the privacy of Americans. My beef with Apple isnt that it fails to assist with US foreign policy.
  - mhoad 4y ago
    Not sure how to take that in a good faith non cynical way.
    - goodSteveramos 4y ago
      I agree that the supply chain security is a problem for Americans like those in the lawsuit. From the perspective of China however, Apple is a foreign company. The US has concerns with tiktok being Chinese owned. China has equally valid concerns with Apple being US based and wants control over its Chinese operations. I dont agree with how the Chinese run their country, but its also not my business. My business is the NSA spying on my family through iCloud backups.
      - mhoad 4y ago
        Does the NSA have a reason to be spying on you or do you have a reason to think they would be doing that? I can’t tell if this is some hypothetical thing or a real concern.
        goodSteveramos 4y ago
        Is this a “why do yoy care about privacy, do you have something to hide” argument?

goodSteveramos 4y ago

Loose them to who? To Google? We need antitrust to break the bundling of Operating Systems and services. The fact that the US government went after Microsoft for setting Internet Explorer as the default but lets Apple ban sideloading entirely shows how political and not economic these problems are.

themihai 4y ago
>> We need antitrust to break the bundling of Operating Systems and services. The EU will force them do just that. I believe it's part of the Digital Markets Act
- goodSteveramos 4y ago
  Despite the congratulatory press, that law allows Apple to make the final determination of what software is and is not allowed to run on your computer or phone. So no, it doesnt force them to let you run whatever software you want.
  - goodSteveramos 4y ago
    It sounds like apple can still stop you from running software “for security”. Hard to tell from the wording what it really means >in order to ensure that third-party software applications or software application stores do not undermine end users’ security, it should be possible for the gatekeeper to implement strictly necessary and proportionate measures https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?toc=OJ%3AL%3A2022%3A265%3ATOC&uri=uriserv%3AOJ.L_.2022.265.01.0001.01.ENG https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?toc=OJ%3AL%3...
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mhoad 4y ago

It actually seems fairly clear by this point that Apple does not actually give a shit about privacy except as a marketing tool to use in their fight against Google. They have also shown a willingness to actively work with authoritarian regimes like the CCP to actively remove privacy protections and build out an extremely sketchy supply chain.

goodSteveramos 4y ago
These are literally not the ways Apple violates the privacy of Americans. My beef with Apple isnt that it fails to assist with US foreign policy.
- mhoad 4y ago
  Not sure how to take that in a good faith non cynical way.
  - goodSteveramos 4y ago
    I agree that the supply chain security is a problem for Americans like those in the lawsuit. From the perspective of China however, Apple is a foreign company. The US has concerns with tiktok being Chinese owned. China has equally valid concerns with Apple being US based and wants control over its Chinese operations. I dont agree with how the Chinese run their country, but its also not my business. My business is the NSA spying on my family through iCloud backups.
    - mhoad 4y ago
      Does the NSA have a reason to be spying on you or do you have a reason to think they would be doing that? I can’t tell if this is some hypothetical thing or a real concern.
      - goodSteveramos 4y ago
        Is this a “why do yoy care about privacy, do you have something to hide” argument?