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That’s good in theory, but in reality it really is the same list for all popular nodes, making it effectively a centralised blacklist.

by nells 4y ago

ceejayoz 4y ago
Sure, just like the guy who poops in the produce section gets banned from all the local grocery stores. Freedom sometimes means no one wants to talk to you.
- ilyt 4y ago
  It quickly becomes "that moderator decided he doesn't like their worldviews and put it on banlist now 100s of servers subscribe to". That kind of list needs pretty good moderation to avoid that. Also, it's not really that effective considering offenders can easily move servers. Hell, it would be all to easy for adversarial group to just server hop and get a bunch of sites blocked purely because the mods of those sites are not on 24/7... or just allow for free speech
  - OctopusLupid 4y ago
    There is no mechanism currently to subscribe to a blocklist. Some forks allow exporting/importing block lists as CSVs, but that is manual. Am new admin for a friend-only instance; currently blocking seems to be done via user reports + checking in on the #Fediblock hashtag. It's all manual, and repeated admin work needs to be done per-instance, which is why the article says it's inefficient but a good trade-off (so you can choose the server you align with best).
  - mftrhu 4y ago
    > Hell, it would be all to easy for adversarial group to just server hop and get a bunch of sites blocked purely because the mods of those sites are not on 24/7... or just allow for free speech Nah. De-federating is manual. Such an adversarial group would need to join up, start spamming, and keep on spamming long enough for their instance to be added to a blacklist, and for other admins to pull that blacklist in, without the admin ever acting in the meantime. It's not like the fediverse is that big, either - people talk to each other.

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That’s good in theory, but in reality it really is the same list for all popular nodes, making it effectively a centralised blacklist.

by nells 4y ago

That’s good in theory, but in reality it really is the same list for all popular nodes, making it effectively a centralised blacklist.

ceejayoz 4y ago
Sure, just like the guy who poops in the produce section gets banned from all the local grocery stores. Freedom sometimes means no one wants to talk to you.
- ilyt 4y ago
  It quickly becomes "that moderator decided he doesn't like their worldviews and put it on banlist now 100s of servers subscribe to". That kind of list needs pretty good moderation to avoid that. Also, it's not really that effective considering offenders can easily move servers. Hell, it would be all to easy for adversarial group to just server hop and get a bunch of sites blocked purely because the mods of those sites are not on 24/7... or just allow for free speech
  - OctopusLupid 4y ago
    There is no mechanism currently to subscribe to a blocklist. Some forks allow exporting/importing block lists as CSVs, but that is manual. Am new admin for a friend-only instance; currently blocking seems to be done via user reports + checking in on the #Fediblock hashtag. It's all manual, and repeated admin work needs to be done per-instance, which is why the article says it's inefficient but a good trade-off (so you can choose the server you align with best).
  - mftrhu 4y ago
    > Hell, it would be all to easy for adversarial group to just server hop and get a bunch of sites blocked purely because the mods of those sites are not on 24/7... or just allow for free speech Nah. De-federating is manual. Such an adversarial group would need to join up, start spamming, and keep on spamming long enough for their instance to be added to a blacklist, and for other admins to pull that blacklist in, without the admin ever acting in the meantime. It's not like the fediverse is that big, either - people talk to each other.