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If he is in fact on the run... Does this dude really think the CIA and FBI won't find him? He's likely not safe anywhere but Russia, China, North Korea or Israe

If he is in fact on the run... Does this dude really think the CIA and FBI won't find him? He's likely not safe anywhere but Russia, China, North Korea or Israel.... maybe Pakistan.

paxys 4y ago
Why would the CIA and FBI care? It's not like they are going to send Navy SEALs after him. This is a DoJ matter, and the most they will do is file extradition requests. If the country he is in decides to ignore them, well that's about it.
- AustinDev 4y ago
  He stole from rich people. Madoff made the same mistake. Parallel construction is how the CIA would be involved helping the FBI or foreign police to nab him. I'm just pointing out that his threat model has now increased by several orders of magnitude. He'll never get away from this unless he does an Epstein.
- threeseed 4y ago
  They wouldn't care. At this point crypto is simply a form of gambling. And the people being hurt are more than educated about the risks they take.
xisthesqrtof9 4y ago
Why Israel? I’d assume they’d hand him over given their close background no?
- AustinDev 4y ago
  There is a history of people committing crimes or being suspected of doing so in US and running away to Israel and avoiding extradition due to their laws.[1] I can gather more examples to illustrate a pattern or at least proclivity but it's late and I'm off to bed. [1]https://digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1272&context=auilr&httpsredir=1&referer= https://digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?...
  - kgwgk 4y ago
    > There is a history of people committing crimes or being suspected of doing so in US and running away to Israel and avoiding extradition due to their laws. Did you maybe forgot to mention that those people were Israeli citizens?
    - rchaud 4y ago
      can SBF apply for citizenship once he lands there?
      - booleandilemma 4y ago
        He is jewish, I'm wondering if the law of return would apply. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return
      - kgwgk 4y ago
        He could apply. It would be denied, of course.
- 55555 4y ago
  Sometimes yes, but historically in general they haven't extradited their citizens for financial crimes against foreigners. I believe it changed a few years ago, at least on paper?
  - kgwgk 4y ago
    > historically in general they haven't extradited their citizens How is that relevant?
  - andsoitis 4y ago
    > they haven't extradited their citizens SBF isn’t an Israeli citizen, is he?
ajb 4y ago
No, not safe in Russia. From https://mobile.twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1579138947447279616 https://mobile.twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/15791389474472... "In contrast, Russian cryptobros that I know tend to act very, very lowkey. The fewer people know about your activities, the better. Posting about dealing with crypto in social media is absolutely unthinkable. Why? Because that makes you too easy and lucrative prey" That thread describes how a basement was found, in the house of an official in the Russian prison system, which appears to have been specifically designed for the capture and torture of crypto owners to give up their coins. It had its own crematorium for disposing of the remains. If these guys think that they can take some coins and live a nice life in a place without strong rule of law, they have a nasty surprise waiting for them
- AustinDev 4y ago
  Well then, he's only got 3 to 4 other options. I'm particularly displeased by this situation. I got Gox'd thrice over. It hasn't happened in 8 years, so I'm not effected in this instance. However, I am just rather unhappy that it is still happening to folks.
- notch656a 4y ago
  That post has zero evidence the fake prison is "specifically designed for the capture and torture of crypto owners." For all we know it was used to torture political enemies with maybe the odd crypto bro on the side.
  - ajb 4y ago
    The design elements are: 1) it is designed to look exactly like a prison, so the occupant thinks he will get out. Thus, it is designed for extortion. 2) a crematorium is provided, anticipating the requirement to be used many times in a similar way. This doesn't fit the profile of political enemies very well. 1) political enemies commit political acts, which can be extorted but not normally after you are dead. Crypto still works after you are dead 2) each political enemy would stand in a slightly different relation or context to you, which suggests a bespoke approach not a system. Crypto owners can all be processed in the same way

If he is in fact on the run... Does this dude really think the CIA and FBI won't find him? He's likely not safe anywhere but Russia, China, North Korea or Israel.... maybe Pakistan.

paxys 4y ago

Why would the CIA and FBI care? It's not like they are going to send Navy SEALs after him. This is a DoJ matter, and the most they will do is file extradition requests. If the country he is in decides to ignore them, well that's about it.

AustinDev 4y ago
He stole from rich people. Madoff made the same mistake. Parallel construction is how the CIA would be involved helping the FBI or foreign police to nab him. I'm just pointing out that his threat model has now increased by several orders of magnitude. He'll never get away from this unless he does an Epstein.
threeseed 4y ago
They wouldn't care. At this point crypto is simply a form of gambling. And the people being hurt are more than educated about the risks they take.

xisthesqrtof9 4y ago

Why Israel? I’d assume they’d hand him over given their close background no?

AustinDev 4y ago
There is a history of people committing crimes or being suspected of doing so in US and running away to Israel and avoiding extradition due to their laws.[1] I can gather more examples to illustrate a pattern or at least proclivity but it's late and I'm off to bed. [1]https://digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1272&context=auilr&httpsredir=1&referer= https://digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?...
- kgwgk 4y ago
  > There is a history of people committing crimes or being suspected of doing so in US and running away to Israel and avoiding extradition due to their laws. Did you maybe forgot to mention that those people were Israeli citizens?
  - rchaud 4y ago
    can SBF apply for citizenship once he lands there?
    - booleandilemma 4y ago
      He is jewish, I'm wondering if the law of return would apply. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return
    - kgwgk 4y ago
      He could apply. It would be denied, of course.
55555 4y ago
Sometimes yes, but historically in general they haven't extradited their citizens for financial crimes against foreigners. I believe it changed a few years ago, at least on paper?
- kgwgk 4y ago
  > historically in general they haven't extradited their citizens How is that relevant?
- andsoitis 4y ago
  > they haven't extradited their citizens SBF isn’t an Israeli citizen, is he?

ajb 4y ago

No, not safe in Russia. From https://mobile.twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1579138947447279616 https://mobile.twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/15791389474472... "In contrast, Russian cryptobros that I know tend to act very, very lowkey. The fewer people know about your activities, the better. Posting about dealing with crypto in social media is absolutely unthinkable. Why? Because that makes you too easy and lucrative prey" That thread describes how a basement was found, in the house of an official in the Russian prison system, which appears to have been specifically designed for the capture and torture of crypto owners to give up their coins. It had its own crematorium for disposing of the remains. If these guys think that they can take some coins and live a nice life in a place without strong rule of law, they have a nasty surprise waiting for them

AustinDev 4y ago
Well then, he's only got 3 to 4 other options. I'm particularly displeased by this situation. I got Gox'd thrice over. It hasn't happened in 8 years, so I'm not effected in this instance. However, I am just rather unhappy that it is still happening to folks.
notch656a 4y ago
That post has zero evidence the fake prison is "specifically designed for the capture and torture of crypto owners." For all we know it was used to torture political enemies with maybe the odd crypto bro on the side.
- ajb 4y ago
  The design elements are: 1) it is designed to look exactly like a prison, so the occupant thinks he will get out. Thus, it is designed for extortion. 2) a crematorium is provided, anticipating the requirement to be used many times in a similar way. This doesn't fit the profile of political enemies very well. 1) political enemies commit political acts, which can be extorted but not normally after you are dead. Crypto still works after you are dead 2) each political enemy would stand in a slightly different relation or context to you, which suggests a bespoke approach not a system. Crypto owners can all be processed in the same way