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Scientology, herbalife, and other obvious scams have persisted. I think crypto people love getting defrauded, and as long as they enjoy it there won't be much p

Scientology, herbalife, and other obvious scams have persisted. I think crypto people love getting defrauded, and as long as they enjoy it there won't be much pressure to prosecute.

lelanthran 4y ago
I Dunn if it is fair to include Scientology in that. Other than the amounts of money involved, it clearly is a religion.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  And in general religions are in business of extracting money from people and using it for their own means. Scientology is not any different from any other. Including the mainstream Christian cults...
  - e1ghtSpace 4y ago
    Wait is the government a religion?
    - kgwgk 4y ago
      You may want to check the validity of the syllogism.
    - drewmol 4y ago
      The US government is made up of 4 religions: Democrat, Republican, MAGA and Bernie Sanders.
  - drewmol 4y ago
    And their means both as determined by their doctrine and expressed by their history vary greatly. In the US religions have been legally defined (a subject of much debate historically) as they are given tax and regulatory exemptions and often public funding. Here’s a good read on the topic from 1969: https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3034&context=ndlr https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3... I’m curious, are there specific ones your referring to, or do you consider all mainstream denominations of Christianity cults?
- lelanthran 4y ago
  I don't understand the modding down. Does someone want to explain why Scientology is different than, say, the major Christian religions? Or Islam?
  - drewmol 4y ago
    Here’s my understanding: In Christianity, god extorts adherence through the revelation that there’s eternal life after death and the threat of eternal damnation as punishment for insubordination. The requirements to enter Heaven are acknowledgment and acceptance of Jesus’ crucifixion as atonement for your transgressions (and possibly repentance). In Islam, god extorts adherence through the revelation that there’s eternal life after death and the threat of eternal damnation as punishment for insubordination. The requirements to enter Paradise are not explicitly defined (aside possibly through dying in a Jihad) so strict adherence is arguable more crucial than in Christianity. In Scientology, god extorts adherence by eliciting confessions of past transgressions on videotaped counseling sessions and threatening public exposure for insubordination, among other tactics.
  - boppo1 4y ago
    At least Islam and Christianity funded art, architecture and to some extent science and literacy. Disclosure: I'm agnostic asymptotically approaching atheist

Scientology, herbalife, and other obvious scams have persisted. I think crypto people love getting defrauded, and as long as they enjoy it there won't be much pressure to prosecute.

lelanthran 4y ago

I Dunn if it is fair to include Scientology in that. Other than the amounts of money involved, it clearly is a religion.

Ekaros 4y ago
And in general religions are in business of extracting money from people and using it for their own means. Scientology is not any different from any other. Including the mainstream Christian cults...
- e1ghtSpace 4y ago
  Wait is the government a religion?
  - kgwgk 4y ago
    You may want to check the validity of the syllogism.
  - drewmol 4y ago
    The US government is made up of 4 religions: Democrat, Republican, MAGA and Bernie Sanders.
- drewmol 4y ago
  And their means both as determined by their doctrine and expressed by their history vary greatly. In the US religions have been legally defined (a subject of much debate historically) as they are given tax and regulatory exemptions and often public funding. Here’s a good read on the topic from 1969: https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3034&context=ndlr https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3... I’m curious, are there specific ones your referring to, or do you consider all mainstream denominations of Christianity cults?
lelanthran 4y ago
I don't understand the modding down. Does someone want to explain why Scientology is different than, say, the major Christian religions? Or Islam?
- drewmol 4y ago
  Here’s my understanding: In Christianity, god extorts adherence through the revelation that there’s eternal life after death and the threat of eternal damnation as punishment for insubordination. The requirements to enter Heaven are acknowledgment and acceptance of Jesus’ crucifixion as atonement for your transgressions (and possibly repentance). In Islam, god extorts adherence through the revelation that there’s eternal life after death and the threat of eternal damnation as punishment for insubordination. The requirements to enter Paradise are not explicitly defined (aside possibly through dying in a Jihad) so strict adherence is arguable more crucial than in Christianity. In Scientology, god extorts adherence by eliciting confessions of past transgressions on videotaped counseling sessions and threatening public exposure for insubordination, among other tactics.
- boppo1 4y ago
  At least Islam and Christianity funded art, architecture and to some extent science and literacy. Disclosure: I'm agnostic asymptotically approaching atheist