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At this point ICANN is hopelessly corrupt. Every giant corporation with money to throw at having its own GTLD is not how the internet was supposed to be. Look

At this point ICANN is hopelessly corrupt. Every giant corporation with money to throw at having its own GTLD is not how the internet was supposed to be. Look at the revolving door between ICANN and private for-profit domain name companies like the people who tried to "buy" .org, and the people who run Donuts and its competitors. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=icann+fadi https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=icann+fad... https://www.theregister.com/2020/07/21/chehade_ceo_ethos/ https://www.theregister.com/2020/07/21/chehade_ceo_ethos/ Also google "ICANN ethos capital" https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=icann+ethos+capital https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=icann+eth...

forgotpwd16 4y ago
>is not how the internet was supposed to be Don't really see the issue. Is having just few TLDs (com/net/org) somehow better? Is there a significant difference in having a domain on those and having an entire TLD? Other than the later being much more expensive that is.
- zokier 4y ago
  Having some hierarchy or structure to DNS would be better. But that ship sailed around 1996 when Postel explicitly rejected the idea of closing .COM So, the argument goes, just close the COM (and NET and ORG) domain to new registrations and tell all those making registration requests "were sorry, COM was a mistake, you now have to register under your country code". After all, by the growth argument, in a couple of years the number of companies in COM will be a small percentage of the total population. I don't think this will work. There would certainly be a lot of complaints (and probably legal actions) suggesting that some unfair practices were being followed and that the new requesters were being arbitrarily disadvantaged. I think it would be hard to argue that over 200,000 registrations following a procedure in place over 5 years was a small mistake. Leaving .COM to be the everything TLD pretty solidly settled the non-existence of hierarchy in the public space, which I see directly paving way for these "new" gtlds.
  - throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
    that would've been a fucking nightmare
- drusepth 4y ago
  >Don't really see the issue. Is having just few TLDs (com/net/org) somehow better? One way it (may) arguably be better is that there are fewer avenues for impersonation or abuse. Ten years ago, bestbuy (or, insert your own small brand here) would buy bestbuy.com, bestbuy.net, bestbuy.org, bastbuy.com, etc to make sure malicious actors couldn't commit any tomfoolery against their customers, devalue their brand, etc. Adding more gTLDs, as we see with examples elsewhere on this thread, means some companies now feel the need to spend hundreds of thousands more buying up gTLDs lest someone sets up cars.bestbuy, shoes.bestbuy, a malicious login.bestbuy, etc. In a perfect world without any abuse, I think more gTLDs would be desirable. As a small business owner who has felt pressured to buy up several similar-sounding domains after others caused mischief with them... I'm less sure.
netsharc 4y ago
It's AOL keywords all over again. I've also seen TV ads where they just say "Search for $BRAND $PRODUCT to learn more", and by "search" they probably meant "google". Or brands just advertise with [f] (their facebook page), and if you go down the list you'll also see their Instagram, Tiktok and formerly Snapchat usernames listed.
- jonny_eh 4y ago
  No it isn't. BestBuy is still sending people to bestbuy.com You cannot using a raw TLD as a domain.
  - 255 4y ago
    http://ai./ http://ai./
    - djbusby 4y ago
      That's neat! How'd you have that so ready?
      - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
        It's well known for being special/short like that.
        hacksore 4y ago
        who even needs DNS https://1.1 https://1.1
    - none_to_remain 4y ago
      Looks like they turned it off in response to your comment, though!
      - none_to_remain 4y ago
        Actually my home ISP won't resolve it, curious...
systemvoltage 4y ago
While it's cool to hate corporations, can you provide some substantiation on why GTLDs are bad? What harm is .bestbuy causing you or to the internet? That name space didn't exist. Now it exists. I immediately went "Cool", but then comments are again needlessly negative. I just want to know why.
- dekken_ 4y ago
  It's polluting the namespace. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. It's quite simple.
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    So you must be against all GTLDs, not just .bestbuy right? They're all polluting the namespace. It shouldn't matter who bought it, "pollution" or whatever that constitutes, still exists?
    - dekken_ 4y ago
      I am frankly, it's an abuse of power that's forced on the populace without recourse.
      - UncleEntity 4y ago
        Somebody forces you to click on bestbuy links and shop in their stores? Are they in the room right now?
        DangitBobby 4y ago
        I am anticipating exciting new phishing attempts from customers of unscrupulous registrars on everything from apple.comp to zoom.uss
        bogwog 4y ago
        I doubt it's that easy to pull something like that off. And besides, people fall for phishing scams even when the domain name isn't even close to what they're trying to imitate.
mdmglr 4y ago
What's corrupt is that ICANN is somehow the gatekeepers of new GTLD's. And they demand $185k with no details on what the "evaluation process" is and no transparency. So you're right the internet was supposed to be open.
- ktta 4y ago
  It is open. You can run your own DNS server and create your own GTLDs. Might not get a valid cert, but then you can also add your own root cert to your devices and everything will work just fine. It's the "all of the major browsers, OSes and DNS resolvers should comply" part that's the hard part

forgotpwd16 4y ago

>is not how the internet was supposed to be Don't really see the issue. Is having just few TLDs (com/net/org) somehow better? Is there a significant difference in having a domain on those and having an entire TLD? Other than the later being much more expensive that is.

zokier 4y ago
Having some hierarchy or structure to DNS would be better. But that ship sailed around 1996 when Postel explicitly rejected the idea of closing .COM So, the argument goes, just close the COM (and NET and ORG) domain to new registrations and tell all those making registration requests "were sorry, COM was a mistake, you now have to register under your country code". After all, by the growth argument, in a couple of years the number of companies in COM will be a small percentage of the total population. I don't think this will work. There would certainly be a lot of complaints (and probably legal actions) suggesting that some unfair practices were being followed and that the new requesters were being arbitrarily disadvantaged. I think it would be hard to argue that over 200,000 registrations following a procedure in place over 5 years was a small mistake. Leaving .COM to be the everything TLD pretty solidly settled the non-existence of hierarchy in the public space, which I see directly paving way for these "new" gtlds.
- throwaway0x7E6 4y ago
  that would've been a fucking nightmare
drusepth 4y ago
>Don't really see the issue. Is having just few TLDs (com/net/org) somehow better? One way it (may) arguably be better is that there are fewer avenues for impersonation or abuse. Ten years ago, bestbuy (or, insert your own small brand here) would buy bestbuy.com, bestbuy.net, bestbuy.org, bastbuy.com, etc to make sure malicious actors couldn't commit any tomfoolery against their customers, devalue their brand, etc. Adding more gTLDs, as we see with examples elsewhere on this thread, means some companies now feel the need to spend hundreds of thousands more buying up gTLDs lest someone sets up cars.bestbuy, shoes.bestbuy, a malicious login.bestbuy, etc. In a perfect world without any abuse, I think more gTLDs would be desirable. As a small business owner who has felt pressured to buy up several similar-sounding domains after others caused mischief with them... I'm less sure.

netsharc 4y ago

It's AOL keywords all over again. I've also seen TV ads where they just say "Search for $BRAND $PRODUCT to learn more", and by "search" they probably meant "google". Or brands just advertise with [f] (their facebook page), and if you go down the list you'll also see their Instagram, Tiktok and formerly Snapchat usernames listed.

jonny_eh 4y ago
No it isn't. BestBuy is still sending people to bestbuy.com You cannot using a raw TLD as a domain.
- 255 4y ago
  http://ai./ http://ai./
  - djbusby 4y ago
    That's neat! How'd you have that so ready?
    - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
      It's well known for being special/short like that.
      - hacksore 4y ago
        who even needs DNS https://1.1 https://1.1
  - none_to_remain 4y ago
    Looks like they turned it off in response to your comment, though!
    - none_to_remain 4y ago
      Actually my home ISP won't resolve it, curious...

systemvoltage 4y ago

While it's cool to hate corporations, can you provide some substantiation on why GTLDs are bad? What harm is .bestbuy causing you or to the internet? That name space didn't exist. Now it exists. I immediately went "Cool", but then comments are again needlessly negative. I just want to know why.

dekken_ 4y ago
It's polluting the namespace. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. It's quite simple.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  So you must be against all GTLDs, not just .bestbuy right? They're all polluting the namespace. It shouldn't matter who bought it, "pollution" or whatever that constitutes, still exists?
  - dekken_ 4y ago
    I am frankly, it's an abuse of power that's forced on the populace without recourse.
    - UncleEntity 4y ago
      Somebody forces you to click on bestbuy links and shop in their stores? Are they in the room right now?
      - DangitBobby 4y ago
        I am anticipating exciting new phishing attempts from customers of unscrupulous registrars on everything from apple.comp to zoom.uss
        bogwog 4y ago
        I doubt it's that easy to pull something like that off. And besides, people fall for phishing scams even when the domain name isn't even close to what they're trying to imitate.

mdmglr 4y ago

What's corrupt is that ICANN is somehow the gatekeepers of new GTLD's. And they demand $185k with no details on what the "evaluation process" is and no transparency. So you're right the internet was supposed to be open.

ktta 4y ago
It is open. You can run your own DNS server and create your own GTLDs. Might not get a valid cert, but then you can also add your own root cert to your devices and everything will work just fine. It's the "all of the major browsers, OSes and DNS resolvers should comply" part that's the hard part