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I get that, but the example as given seems to be $1.10 of equity (assets) to every $1 of debt (liabilities).

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> the example as given seems to be $1.10 of equity (assets) Equity (in accounting) is assets minus liabilities. $110mm assets, $100mm liabilities and thus $10mm equity. You may be thinking of equities (from trading), which is another word for stock. (The link being equities represent ownership of equity, i.e. the value of a company’s assets net of liabilities.)
- epgui 4y ago
  I think I'm having a slow moment... why are we more interested in the ratio of equity to liability, than the ratio of assets to liabilities? It seems to me that if bad things happen, you can cover for the value of your liabilities with your assets. You could waste the entire excess equity on banana monkey NFTs and still be solvent, assuming no liquidity issues.
  - ledauphin 4y ago
    I'm in the same boat. I got lost really early on because I don't really understand why the 'assets' appear to not have any value in this equation? Are the assets by definition illiquid?
    - epgui 4y ago
      Yep that's exactly why I'm lost.
      - vpribish 4y ago
        the key that they seem to delight in not telling you is that the 100M debt also came with 100M in assets - you borrowed 100M cash (an asset you now have) and promise to give it back later (a liability you now also have). Apart from those offsetting 100M entries on your books, you also have 10M other assets. so you may have started with 10M - then you borrowed (and promise to repay) 100M more. there's your 1:10 (10:100) ratio.
        epgui 4y ago
        Ah, I suppose I had not thought of the assets as volatile (I was essentially imagining cash equivalents), but that seems right. Thanks!
  - Ferrotin 4y ago
    That ratio tells you how much faster you make or lose money under an asset price movement. That is, if you’re 11:1 leveraged, a 0.01% increase in asset price is a 0.11% increase in your net equity.

> the example as given seems to be $1.10 of equity (assets) Equity (in accounting) is assets minus liabilities. $110mm assets, $100mm liabilities and thus $10mm equity. You may be thinking of equities (from trading), which is another word for stock. (The link being equities represent ownership of equity, i.e. the value of a company’s assets net of liabilities.)

epgui 4y ago
I think I'm having a slow moment... why are we more interested in the ratio of equity to liability, than the ratio of assets to liabilities? It seems to me that if bad things happen, you can cover for the value of your liabilities with your assets. You could waste the entire excess equity on banana monkey NFTs and still be solvent, assuming no liquidity issues.
- ledauphin 4y ago
  I'm in the same boat. I got lost really early on because I don't really understand why the 'assets' appear to not have any value in this equation? Are the assets by definition illiquid?
  - epgui 4y ago
    Yep that's exactly why I'm lost.
    - vpribish 4y ago
      the key that they seem to delight in not telling you is that the 100M debt also came with 100M in assets - you borrowed 100M cash (an asset you now have) and promise to give it back later (a liability you now also have). Apart from those offsetting 100M entries on your books, you also have 10M other assets. so you may have started with 10M - then you borrowed (and promise to repay) 100M more. there's your 1:10 (10:100) ratio.
      - epgui 4y ago
        Ah, I suppose I had not thought of the assets as volatile (I was essentially imagining cash equivalents), but that seems right. Thanks!
- Ferrotin 4y ago
  That ratio tells you how much faster you make or lose money under an asset price movement. That is, if you’re 11:1 leveraged, a 0.01% increase in asset price is a 0.11% increase in your net equity.