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Wow. Awesome! I hope Ford and other EV Manufacturers make retrofit kits though - and similar for the charging stations already deployed. Lugging an adapter for

Wow. Awesome! I hope Ford and other EV Manufacturers make retrofit kits though - and similar for the charging stations already deployed. Lugging an adapter for all non-Tesla EVs before the, what, 2024 model year would be irritating. Assuming, of course, they are on board and this doesn't turn into Betamax/VHS, Blu-ray/HD-DVD, or HDR10+/Dolby Vision again.

kgermino 4y ago
I don't see anything here indicating that other manufacturers will start using the Tesla connector. Unfortunately we're already well into the format war with two standards: Tesla and Everyone Else (CCS). Honestly this feels more like a desperate attempt by Tesla to push back on the trend towards CCS instead of a substantive announcement
- Lendal 4y ago
  They might be trying to get ahead of a possible push to mandate CCS, and they don't want to get pushed around like Apple did. I for one am fine with it. The "NACS" is objectively better by almost every available measure, and if the despised Elon Musk wants to give his stuff away, hey I'll take it. Any good reasons why we should reject this proposal?
  - Hamuko 4y ago
    >They might be trying to get ahead of a possible push to mandate CCS, and they don't want to get pushed around like Apple did. Waaaaaay too late for that. It'd be like Apple telling that they'll open the Lightning connector and that other phone manufacturers should switch to it, if Apple had done that in like 2019. Sure, nice try, but maybe you should've taken this position about a decade earlier.
  - kgermino 4y ago
    > Any good reasons why we should reject this proposal? No idea here. The 1 MW charging claim feels weird since faster charging was definitely a touted benefit of CCS in the recent past. I'm not sure if something changed. To me, it doesn't really matter one way or another. The CCS connector is bulky, but so is a gas station nozzle and I've never had a problem using one of those. Plus you'll use the CCS connector less often since most charging is done at home with a connector comparable to the NACS one. I'd probably lean towards CCS because it's effectively the same as international standards, it's already the standard, and separating the AC and DC pins probably simplifies engineering on the car side but I don't actually care as long as we all use one connector with an open spec.
    - kortilla 4y ago
      >it's already the standard, Not sure how you’re defining “standard” but given that Tesla has the major majority here, its connector is the standard most people are familiar with. If you just mean, it’s something not proprietary that other manufacturers agreed on, then sure.
      - kgermino 4y ago
        I mean it's something not proprietary that _every_ other manufacturer and _the federal government_ agreed on. You can't reasonably say that e.g. USB is a standard and CCS is not
        kortilla 4y ago
        But that’s an empty gesture when the size is so irrelevant. >You can't reasonably say that e.g. USB is a standard and CCS is not CCS is “a standard” but Tesla is “the standard” from a consumer perspective. The same thing happened with apple lightning early on. It was far better and dominated micro usb. If they had opened it early during usb-c it would have just killed usb-c and been the new standard.
    - chroma 4y ago
      North America's CCS[1] isn't compatible with Europe's CCS[2]. They're physically different connectors. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:J1772_(CCS1).svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:J1772_(CCS1).svg 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IEC_62196_Type_2_(M,_DC,_CCS_Combo_2).svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IEC_62196_Type_2_(M,_DC,_...
JonathonW 4y ago
This won't turn into Betamax/VHS or Blu-ray/HD-DVD because CCS has already won-- every EV sold in the US except Tesla (and maybe still the Nissan Leaf; they may still be on CHAdeMO) has CCS Type 1. This is probably too little, too late for Tesla.
- bombcar 4y ago
  Does Tesla still sell more EVs in the US than the rest combined? Though if most of the bulk/plug is on the charger side, than this is all a non-issue.
- InTheArena 4y ago
  People seem deep in denial about Tesla market share. Tesla is 80% of all EVs sold and still 65% of current vehicles sold last quarter - even with some dramatically cheaper EVs available. As Gigafactories in Austin, Berlin and Shanghai continue to ramp, that's unlikely to change.
  - hedora 4y ago
    They dropped to 70% of vehicles on the road last year, and are only claiming >66% in this press release. BofA projects an 11% market share for Tesla by 2025. Also, their order backlog is dropping, even though we are in the middle of a gasoline crisis, and all (?) other EV manufacturers are seeing unprecedented demand. This suggests current factories can meet Tesla's future steady state demand, so ramping will only help a bit: https://insideevs.com/news/615583/estimated-tesla-order-backlog-september21-2022/ https://insideevs.com/news/615583/estimated-tesla-order-back... I think the root cause is that they only have a few models, especially compared to the combined model lines of their competition. Also, many people on the coasts are uncomfortable supporting Musk, thanks to the Twitter thing and Tesla labor violations. For that crowd, Tesla may as well be welding truck balls to their back bumpers.
  - AlexandrB 4y ago
    Tesla is still selling exclusively luxury sedans and SUVs. Cheaper cars like the Bolt or utility vehicles like the F150 Lightning serve market segments where Tesla is not even a competitor. I think it's expected that Tesla's market share will drop a lot in the coming years.

kgermino 4y ago

I don't see anything here indicating that other manufacturers will start using the Tesla connector. Unfortunately we're already well into the format war with two standards: Tesla and Everyone Else (CCS). Honestly this feels more like a desperate attempt by Tesla to push back on the trend towards CCS instead of a substantive announcement

Lendal 4y ago
They might be trying to get ahead of a possible push to mandate CCS, and they don't want to get pushed around like Apple did. I for one am fine with it. The "NACS" is objectively better by almost every available measure, and if the despised Elon Musk wants to give his stuff away, hey I'll take it. Any good reasons why we should reject this proposal?
- Hamuko 4y ago
  >They might be trying to get ahead of a possible push to mandate CCS, and they don't want to get pushed around like Apple did. Waaaaaay too late for that. It'd be like Apple telling that they'll open the Lightning connector and that other phone manufacturers should switch to it, if Apple had done that in like 2019. Sure, nice try, but maybe you should've taken this position about a decade earlier.
- kgermino 4y ago
  > Any good reasons why we should reject this proposal? No idea here. The 1 MW charging claim feels weird since faster charging was definitely a touted benefit of CCS in the recent past. I'm not sure if something changed. To me, it doesn't really matter one way or another. The CCS connector is bulky, but so is a gas station nozzle and I've never had a problem using one of those. Plus you'll use the CCS connector less often since most charging is done at home with a connector comparable to the NACS one. I'd probably lean towards CCS because it's effectively the same as international standards, it's already the standard, and separating the AC and DC pins probably simplifies engineering on the car side but I don't actually care as long as we all use one connector with an open spec.
  - kortilla 4y ago
    >it's already the standard, Not sure how you’re defining “standard” but given that Tesla has the major majority here, its connector is the standard most people are familiar with. If you just mean, it’s something not proprietary that other manufacturers agreed on, then sure.
    - kgermino 4y ago
      I mean it's something not proprietary that _every_ other manufacturer and _the federal government_ agreed on. You can't reasonably say that e.g. USB is a standard and CCS is not
      - kortilla 4y ago
        But that’s an empty gesture when the size is so irrelevant. >You can't reasonably say that e.g. USB is a standard and CCS is not CCS is “a standard” but Tesla is “the standard” from a consumer perspective. The same thing happened with apple lightning early on. It was far better and dominated micro usb. If they had opened it early during usb-c it would have just killed usb-c and been the new standard.
  - chroma 4y ago
    North America's CCS[1] isn't compatible with Europe's CCS[2]. They're physically different connectors. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:J1772_(CCS1).svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:J1772_(CCS1).svg 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IEC_62196_Type_2_(M,_DC,_CCS_Combo_2).svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IEC_62196_Type_2_(M,_DC,_...

JonathonW 4y ago

This won't turn into Betamax/VHS or Blu-ray/HD-DVD because CCS has already won-- every EV sold in the US except Tesla (and maybe still the Nissan Leaf; they may still be on CHAdeMO) has CCS Type 1. This is probably too little, too late for Tesla.

bombcar 4y ago
Does Tesla still sell more EVs in the US than the rest combined? Though if most of the bulk/plug is on the charger side, than this is all a non-issue.
InTheArena 4y ago
People seem deep in denial about Tesla market share. Tesla is 80% of all EVs sold and still 65% of current vehicles sold last quarter - even with some dramatically cheaper EVs available. As Gigafactories in Austin, Berlin and Shanghai continue to ramp, that's unlikely to change.
- hedora 4y ago
  They dropped to 70% of vehicles on the road last year, and are only claiming >66% in this press release. BofA projects an 11% market share for Tesla by 2025. Also, their order backlog is dropping, even though we are in the middle of a gasoline crisis, and all (?) other EV manufacturers are seeing unprecedented demand. This suggests current factories can meet Tesla's future steady state demand, so ramping will only help a bit: https://insideevs.com/news/615583/estimated-tesla-order-backlog-september21-2022/ https://insideevs.com/news/615583/estimated-tesla-order-back... I think the root cause is that they only have a few models, especially compared to the combined model lines of their competition. Also, many people on the coasts are uncomfortable supporting Musk, thanks to the Twitter thing and Tesla labor violations. For that crowd, Tesla may as well be welding truck balls to their back bumpers.
- AlexandrB 4y ago
  Tesla is still selling exclusively luxury sedans and SUVs. Cheaper cars like the Bolt or utility vehicles like the F150 Lightning serve market segments where Tesla is not even a competitor. I think it's expected that Tesla's market share will drop a lot in the coming years.