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If you're interested in building web apps with Haskell, check out IHP. IHP is the Laravel/Rails/Django of the Haskell world. Might be a more pragmatic way to ge

by _query 4y ago

If you're interested in building web apps with Haskell, check out IHP. IHP is the Laravel/Rails/Django of the Haskell world. Might be a more pragmatic way to get into Haskell than SchoolOfHaskell - Intro video demoing how to build apps with IHP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbDtS_mUMpI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbDtS_mUMpI - Docs to get started: https://ihp.digitallyinduced.com/Guide/index.html https://ihp.digitallyinduced.com/Guide/index.html - IHP reviews: https://www.g2.com/products/ihp/reviews https://www.g2.com/products/ihp/reviews

SomeoneEsle123 4y ago
IHP seems great, but I found it very hard to work with. The guide said it takes 15 minutes to build initially...it took my laptop 1 1/2 hours. And I didn't use cachix (no idea what it was, didn't want it to mess with my system) so after a nix-gc I had to build again... And the pro version costs $300/year, and goes up to $1500/year if you make $20k. That might be good for a huge company, but if that's a side project or a solo dev's income, that's way too expensive.
- _query 4y ago
  Cachix manages the prebuilt binaries used by IHP. If you don't install Cachix, nix will compile a lot of IHP's dependencies from scratch. This takes a long while and is not recommended.
  - SomeoneEsle123 4y ago
    It manages the prebuilt binaries...but requires being run as root or adding myself to the list of Nix trustedUsers...on an OS level. Both of those things are scary and dangerous. I don't know what your software or Cachix is doing. Can you tell me exactly what it will be doing to my system? What changes? Does it use a lot of disk space? Is it easy to undo? And is there anyone who recommends doing it who isn't associated to IHP?
- bluepoint 4y ago
  Let alone that it appears on any forum that ever mentions haskell these days.
embwbam 4y ago
If you're not a fan of the ruby-on-rails / swiss army knife approach that IHP takes, check out Scotty. Add Lucid for Html rendering, and Selda for Postgres. (There are other options for any of these tools if you prefer) - Scotty (simple web routing) https://hackage.haskell.org/package/scotty - Lucid (html rendering) https://hackage.haskell.org/package/lucid - Selda (postgres) https://selda.link/
- xwowsersx 4y ago
  hmm, last time I used Scotty, I thought it was the exact opposite of Rails and more like Sinatra. It's less batteries included and more flexible and lightweight. Yesod is more like RoR, no? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by swiss army knife?
  - anentropic 4y ago
    you missed the "not a fan" part
    - xwowsersx 4y ago
      Oh gawd. I totally did, my bad! Time for more coffee. Thanks
- countvonbalzac 4y ago
  Did selda get the hug of death?

by _query 4y ago

SomeoneEsle123 4y ago

IHP seems great, but I found it very hard to work with. The guide said it takes 15 minutes to build initially...it took my laptop 1 1/2 hours. And I didn't use cachix (no idea what it was, didn't want it to mess with my system) so after a nix-gc I had to build again... And the pro version costs $300/year, and goes up to $1500/year if you make $20k. That might be good for a huge company, but if that's a side project or a solo dev's income, that's way too expensive.

_query 4y ago
Cachix manages the prebuilt binaries used by IHP. If you don't install Cachix, nix will compile a lot of IHP's dependencies from scratch. This takes a long while and is not recommended.
- SomeoneEsle123 4y ago
  It manages the prebuilt binaries...but requires being run as root or adding myself to the list of Nix trustedUsers...on an OS level. Both of those things are scary and dangerous. I don't know what your software or Cachix is doing. Can you tell me exactly what it will be doing to my system? What changes? Does it use a lot of disk space? Is it easy to undo? And is there anyone who recommends doing it who isn't associated to IHP?
bluepoint 4y ago
Let alone that it appears on any forum that ever mentions haskell these days.

embwbam 4y ago

If you're not a fan of the ruby-on-rails / swiss army knife approach that IHP takes, check out Scotty. Add Lucid for Html rendering, and Selda for Postgres. (There are other options for any of these tools if you prefer) - Scotty (simple web routing) https://hackage.haskell.org/package/scotty - Lucid (html rendering) https://hackage.haskell.org/package/lucid - Selda (postgres) https://selda.link/

xwowsersx 4y ago
hmm, last time I used Scotty, I thought it was the exact opposite of Rails and more like Sinatra. It's less batteries included and more flexible and lightweight. Yesod is more like RoR, no? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by swiss army knife?
- anentropic 4y ago
  you missed the "not a fan" part
  - xwowsersx 4y ago
    Oh gawd. I totally did, my bad! Time for more coffee. Thanks
countvonbalzac 4y ago
Did selda get the hug of death?