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boomers is a largely american concept. i doubt eastern european people of same generation can be called boomers: having lived in a completely different system.

boomers is a largely american concept. i doubt eastern european people of same generation can be called boomers: having lived in a completely different system. anyway you seem to say that owning houses resulted in a problem of not owning houses? seems to me a more simple explanation would be that slovenia became a capitalist society, and for-profit housing doesnt quite accomodate as many people as the socialist one. this is a problem that is faced in every capitalist country atm and you seem to be misrepresenting what happened in former yugoslavia. basically it was not the government that gave you housing, but the state-owned corporation you worked for. and it wasnt for-rent, but to pay off as you work. which is WHY so many people were able to buy it for peanuts when the system collapsed. also to say it was the government is to grossly overestimate the centrality of the socialist yugoslav government. they simply were not that powerful

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
There was a (after war) baby boom here too. We didn't call them by that name, but there was a huge population rise in the late 40s and 50s. In yugoslavia, you didn't own an apartment, but you rented it (from the government)... so almost noone had more than one apartment, noone had a too-large apartment, and if you got a job in trbovlje the government would get you an apartment in trbovlje (a city in the middle of nowehere). If you died, the apartment went back to the "pool", and someone else could get it. If you got a kid, you got a bigger apartment, and someone else got the smaller one. But still, nobody owned those apartments, they just rented them. The high ownership (the colored map from a post above) came only after they sold all those apartments to renters, and people started hoarding them, because they got them for very cheap and the prices could only go up. For "normal people" it would be better to have lower ownership and more renting from the government (if it was handled properly by the government.. a big if).. but then the colored would show different ownage percentages. The biggest problem now is, that you're not allowed to build anymore, due to regulations and a lack of buildable land (in a legal sense... there is a lot of land, but the government doesn't allow building there, also in A LOT of areas, you can build a two apartment two story building max, instead of large apartment buildings that we need). "Back then", the government decided they needed more apartments, they took a piece of land and started building.. didn't matter if it was a pasture [0], a field, what the neighbors though (again, government buildings next door), they just built. Now we have areas where we could build [1], but the government doesn't allow it... sometimes, if you're friendly with the mayor, you buy a farmland somewhere, and it suddenly becomes buildable, but this isn't true for "normal people". It seems a lot of people have invested interests to keep realestate prices high, and those people are in positions of power and can decide where we can or cannot build. [0] https://i.imgur.com/zjfRsuw.png https://i.imgur.com/zjfRsuw.png [1] https://goo.gl/maps/ZVvHQmwzuX4VhLZ99 https://goo.gl/maps/ZVvHQmwzuX4VhLZ99 https://goo.gl/maps/dCoroKjHYs45dU8T8 https://goo.gl/maps/dCoroKjHYs45dU8T8
- medo-bear 4y ago
  > In yugoslavia, you didn't own an apartment, but you rented it (from the government)... you paid it off to the corporation you worked for. it wasnt a lottery system. it was more like a generous homeloan https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02757206.2017.1340279 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02757206.2017.1... >so almost noone had more than one apartment, noone had a too-large apartment actually the apartments were reletively very good quality, and often buildings were made as part of a grander urban project anyway im not saying the system was perfect. this shouldnt need to be said. but it did solve certain problems rather quickly
  - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
    You didn't pay it off, the government (who also owned the corporation) was the owner of it. You could build your own house and own it though, but not the "social" apartments. The option to buy the apartments from the government came only after the fall of socialism in 1991 (jazbinskov zakon/law) > actually the apartments were reletively very good quality, and often buildings were made as part of a grander urban project yes, the apartments were well built, but the aging reinforced concrete will be problematic very soon.
    - medo-bear 4y ago
      > You could build your own house and own it though, but not the "social" apartments you could not "own" it but you had all the rights one might want for their dwelling

ajsnigrutin 4y ago

There was a (after war) baby boom here too. We didn't call them by that name, but there was a huge population rise in the late 40s and 50s. In yugoslavia, you didn't own an apartment, but you rented it (from the government)... so almost noone had more than one apartment, noone had a too-large apartment, and if you got a job in trbovlje the government would get you an apartment in trbovlje (a city in the middle of nowehere). If you died, the apartment went back to the "pool", and someone else could get it. If you got a kid, you got a bigger apartment, and someone else got the smaller one. But still, nobody owned those apartments, they just rented them. The high ownership (the colored map from a post above) came only after they sold all those apartments to renters, and people started hoarding them, because they got them for very cheap and the prices could only go up. For "normal people" it would be better to have lower ownership and more renting from the government (if it was handled properly by the government.. a big if).. but then the colored would show different ownage percentages. The biggest problem now is, that you're not allowed to build anymore, due to regulations and a lack of buildable land (in a legal sense... there is a lot of land, but the government doesn't allow building there, also in A LOT of areas, you can build a two apartment two story building max, instead of large apartment buildings that we need). "Back then", the government decided they needed more apartments, they took a piece of land and started building.. didn't matter if it was a pasture [0], a field, what the neighbors though (again, government buildings next door), they just built. Now we have areas where we could build [1], but the government doesn't allow it... sometimes, if you're friendly with the mayor, you buy a farmland somewhere, and it suddenly becomes buildable, but this isn't true for "normal people". It seems a lot of people have invested interests to keep realestate prices high, and those people are in positions of power and can decide where we can or cannot build. [0] https://i.imgur.com/zjfRsuw.png https://i.imgur.com/zjfRsuw.png [1] https://goo.gl/maps/ZVvHQmwzuX4VhLZ99 https://goo.gl/maps/ZVvHQmwzuX4VhLZ99 https://goo.gl/maps/dCoroKjHYs45dU8T8 https://goo.gl/maps/dCoroKjHYs45dU8T8

medo-bear 4y ago
> In yugoslavia, you didn't own an apartment, but you rented it (from the government)... you paid it off to the corporation you worked for. it wasnt a lottery system. it was more like a generous homeloan https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02757206.2017.1340279 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02757206.2017.1... >so almost noone had more than one apartment, noone had a too-large apartment actually the apartments were reletively very good quality, and often buildings were made as part of a grander urban project anyway im not saying the system was perfect. this shouldnt need to be said. but it did solve certain problems rather quickly
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  You didn't pay it off, the government (who also owned the corporation) was the owner of it. You could build your own house and own it though, but not the "social" apartments. The option to buy the apartments from the government came only after the fall of socialism in 1991 (jazbinskov zakon/law) > actually the apartments were reletively very good quality, and often buildings were made as part of a grander urban project yes, the apartments were well built, but the aging reinforced concrete will be problematic very soon.
  - medo-bear 4y ago
    > You could build your own house and own it though, but not the "social" apartments you could not "own" it but you had all the rights one might want for their dwelling