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Aren't all populations worldwide currently dropping in their reproduction rate already, without government intervention? Nearly all western countries are alread

by sveme 4y ago

Aren't all populations worldwide currently dropping in their reproduction rate already, without government intervention? Nearly all western countries are already way below the maintenance rate of 2.1 already. https://ourworldindata.org/fertility-rate#the-global-decline-of-the-fertility-rate-since-1950 https://ourworldindata.org/fertility-rate#the-global-decline...

bheadmaster 4y ago
Is there a fundamental reason for it, or is it just the way it is right now? Because the world is kind of shit right now, and that could be the reason people don't procreate - I, personally, don't want to bring children into the world the way it is right now and the way it is going. The way I see it, as soon as the quality of life grows, people will continue procreating the way they did so far for decades.
- sveme 4y ago
  It's dropping since the 1950s, so not a fluke. Major reasons are probably improvements in living conditions (yes, in comparison to the 50s), the invention and widespread use of contraception and social security (which removes the need for kids to support you in old age).
  - bheadmaster 4y ago
    > It's dropping since the 1950s So has quality of life, so it might have something to do with it.
    - sveme 4y ago
      The quality of life has dropped since the 50s? Definitely not im Germany or Europe in general. On what metrics has it dropped?
- mpweiher 4y ago
  > Because the world is kind of shit right now, and that could be the reason people don't procreate It's actually the opposite. As people become better off, they have fewer children, because the near certainty that those children will survive. In developed and egalitarian countries, women frequently delay having children until it is too late. Particularly the very educated.
mantas 4y ago
> without government intervention There’s a lot of tangential government intervention. E.g. no enough daycare funding while pushing moms-back-at-work campaigns. Birth-control hormones ending up in waste water which goes back full circle yet government doing nothing about such pollution.

by sveme 4y ago

bheadmaster 4y ago

Is there a fundamental reason for it, or is it just the way it is right now? Because the world is kind of shit right now, and that could be the reason people don't procreate - I, personally, don't want to bring children into the world the way it is right now and the way it is going. The way I see it, as soon as the quality of life grows, people will continue procreating the way they did so far for decades.

sveme 4y ago
It's dropping since the 1950s, so not a fluke. Major reasons are probably improvements in living conditions (yes, in comparison to the 50s), the invention and widespread use of contraception and social security (which removes the need for kids to support you in old age).
- bheadmaster 4y ago
  > It's dropping since the 1950s So has quality of life, so it might have something to do with it.
  - sveme 4y ago
    The quality of life has dropped since the 50s? Definitely not im Germany or Europe in general. On what metrics has it dropped?
mpweiher 4y ago
> Because the world is kind of shit right now, and that could be the reason people don't procreate It's actually the opposite. As people become better off, they have fewer children, because the near certainty that those children will survive. In developed and egalitarian countries, women frequently delay having children until it is too late. Particularly the very educated.

mantas 4y ago

> without government intervention There’s a lot of tangential government intervention. E.g. no enough daycare funding while pushing moms-back-at-work campaigns. Birth-control hormones ending up in waste water which goes back full circle yet government doing nothing about such pollution.