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Such lists exist everywhere, and not just amongst women. In the military, everyone knows not to be around certain officers when they are drinking. Some are an
by sandworm101 4y ago
Such lists exist everywhere, and not just amongst women. In the military, everyone knows not to be around certain officers when they are drinking. Some are angry drunks, some hold grudges and some while drunk attempt to enforce rigid military codes. Warnings about such officers are shared with everyone, not just women. Any power rigid structure results in such situations if left unchecked.
- H8crilA 4y agoGetting them all into a single room with free alcohol would be my secret life project.
- sandworm101 4y agoEvery unit mess dinner. Every at-work retirement party. Every roll call. Manditory fun days are where such reputations are made.
- rrwo 4y agoThere are different kinds of lists for different behaviour and different victims. When I was in university, there was a women's bathroom in one of the buildings that was noted to have a list of alleged rapists (students and professors) written on the walls. The cleaners intentionally never removed it.
- poszlem 4y agoThat sounds like something that is not slanderous at all and would never be used to harm innocent people.
- ajsnigrutin 4y agoTotally no way, someone would add someones name, just to fuck their lives...
- notadev 4y agohttps://www.thecut.com/article/cancel-culture-high-school-teens.html https://www.thecut.com/article/cancel-culture-high-school-te...
- iwillbenice 4y ago
- chownie 4y ago> Still, the day after the bus ride, the enforcer turned around in Statistics and said as a threat, “Fuck Diego. I love cancel culture. If you were to cancel anyone, who would you cancel?” Poe's Law, this is totally screwing with my brain, this IS satire right? This is maybe the worst based-on-a-true story I've ever seen, exceptional in the low quality of its writing. Am I biting the onion here? This is for laughs right?
- rrwo 4y agoSome poor slob couldn't get a date because he was slandered on the secret rapist wall of shame? Oh the humanity!!!!!!!!!!!!
- poszlem 4y agoThis is an idiotic take if I ever saw one, and I genuinely wish you to never have to deal with being on the wrong side of the pitchfork held by angry mob of people all going after you.
- rrwo 4y agoThe informal lists that people share are not equivalent to angry crowds with pitchforks. They are actually circulated among victims and their friends, with a lot of validation of repeat offenders. So there is a lot of informal collective information gathering and confirmation. They are lists of men to avoid dating or not trust them to buy you a drink. And the lists are a reaction to the difficulty of holding them accountable. Universities have been bad about punishing their students for criminal behaviour, because they want their tuition, don't want to offend their wealthy alumni parents, and have a misguided fear of ruining the lives of relatively young people (even if they are legally adults). Unfortunately some of the people who get away with abusing their fellow students will go on abusing their colleagues the rest of their lives. So if you want to keep people from being unfairly put on these anonymous lists, then you need to make these lists unnecessary.
- roenxi 4y agoWhat do you think the mob with pitchforks tells themselves? "This isn't really justified, we're just going to attack randomly and hope it helps"? I agree with the utility, practicality and necessity of informal lists. Mocking someone who was falsely included on one of them and made to experience consequences is an ugly thing to do. We've had centuries of experience on this topic - retaliation should follow from evidence. That evidence should be challenged and held to consistent fair standards. Laughing at people condemned by gossip is unfair.
- endominus 4y ago> Any power rigid structure results in such situations It doesn't require rigid structures. Whisper networks exist in every community. Jo Freeman very famously discussed them in The Tyranny of Structurelessness (https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm).
- uniqueuid 4y agoIt's probably not your intention, but your comment could be read as playing down the issue in the original article. The risk to women is of course much more prevalent and often more severe. We also should not forget that these are political representatives - they should absolutely be held to a higher standard than everyone else. Because if we don't then we either abandon pro-social behavior as a desirable trait or the belief that elections should help to select people who are more capable by any standard.
- zht 4y agoyea... the parent comment really had an all lives matter kind of vibe
- sandworm101 4y agoLook into the prevalence of male-on-male sexual violence in military organizations. It is qn underreported epidemic.
- sasattack 4y agowow another thing men do wrong! guess we should destroy the army
- readthenotes1 4y agoYou and what ar.... Hmmm
- louwrentius 4y agoYou make it sound like it’s not a big deal or relevant. You deflect from the fact that this is about women facing abuse. This news it very relevant because still in 2022 sexual misconduct by men in positions of power seems to be a huge issue stil. I mean, doesn’t it say something about the current state of things if the bloody parliament is not safe for women? I have no illusions about how it is for women to work in sv for all the tech bro companies. Uber had some very public history on this. This topic is unfortunately as relevant as ever.
- hjanssen 4y agoEmphasis on > if left unchecked This obviously represents an error on how abuse is handled in these power structures. What baffles me the most, is that this list in particular is not only shared between staff or subordinates, but concerns colleagues. It seems that women feel that they cannot speak out against such forms of potential abuse because they fear they will get themself axed, even if the alleged abuser is power-wise on the same level. This is very concerning to hear, but frankly not surprising if you speak with any woman that operates in any kind of hierarchy, be it corporate or otherwise.
- bombcar 4y agoIf you speak out against someone - it’s likely your first time doing so. But if the person really is a rapist or whatever, they know how to navigate the system because they’ve been spoken out against before - they’ll know exactly how to attack and destroy your reputation. Game theory leans toward whispering to protect yourself and others without getting destroyed.