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Instead of jugdging for a silly pic, probably in extreme circumstances, why can't you think two things? 1. it is an exceptional situation. 2. you know if the p

Instead of jugdging for a silly pic, probably in extreme circumstances, why can't you think two things? 1. it is an exceptional situation. 2. you know if the person accepted? 3. probably the salary is high. I myself have even worked 22 hours in a row or 16/12/10/11 in one week in a very extreme case. I do not blame anyone. Labour is usually 8hrs/day 40hr/week. Bc we got used to. But when Korean and Chinese overtake us there will not be amount of whining that saves us from our lower productivity bc they have a harder mind. With this I do not mean we should work super hard. What I mean is that if sometimes a situation requires extra work for some reason that we cannot even asses from a single pic, then people should be allowed to do it. I know I will get a ton of negatives for this. That is not going to change my opinion. We learnt whining at our fullest as if that was going to fix something.

senttoschool 4y ago
>Labour is usually 8hrs/day 40hr/week. Bc we got used to. But when Korean and Chinese overtake us there will not be amount of whining that saves us from our lower productivity bc they have a harder mind. I'm with you here. A lot of Silicon Valley workers are used to 35 hour work weeks with extremely inflated salaries. They think just because they know how to write a for loop, they should be treated by kings and queens. And when Chinese and Korean companies outcompete them, they become racist or anti-Asian.
- theCrowing 4y ago
  We waiting for that moment now for what? 20 years?
  - germandiago 4y ago
    You know? Whether we like it or not, an asian is not usually looking at the watch to see when it is time to go. Productivity-wise I think they make some mistakes we westernes do not make, like for example, in communication, because of many cultural things, they tend to not speak out. That is in our advantage to some extent. On the other hand, they are not going to look at the clock and say "hey my contract is 40 hours I am gonna call the union!". Like it or not, this part is destroying us. It is a matter of time. China is already overtaking US in some key areas technology-wise, like electric car (they own also 80% of lithium mines) and other stuff. So if you want to fool yourself... My opinion is that we have been getting steadily worse in values from the fact that we became very comfortable. By this I mean also myself: my parents were better in attitude and my grandparents also. That is how I see it. God forgive me for being politically incorrect and wanting to enslave humanity (probably I would be accused of things like this nowadays in Europe) or something for saying that, but productivity comes from labour.
    - theCrowing 4y ago
      Well let's talk in 20 years again because everything you wrote was written 20 years ago. Nothing ever happens.
      - germandiago 4y ago
        We still have an advantage on some areas, such as communication and a big part of the education. But the level of improvement in Asia is really big already. I do not talk from outside. I have been in Asia for 11 years living. If we do not give a push to our mindsets, we will become irrelevant and that includes leaning on effort and self-reliance and self-improvement, which is what took us here. I see (Europe, dnt know US but from the media looks like kind of the same) a huge amount of rights and whining. I know I will get more negatives for this. I just describe what I see :)
        theCrowing 4y ago
        You are just repeating the same arguments that were repeated back then. It's like you are running circles around the discussion at hand. Asia will neither overtake the west in worker productivity nor revenue per worker anytime soon if at all. They need to lift way more people out of poverty before it will ever happen. At the moment they are running their economy on scale but as we are seeing now with their housing market, draconian covid lockdowns and governmental regulations, that they are running on fumes with the engine light on.
    - pixl97 4y ago
      >On the other hand, they are not going to look at the clock and say "hey my contract is 40 hours I am gonna call the union!". Like it or not, this part is destroying us. Did you come straight outta 1850? This is not destroying is at all. We used to work this much in the US. We fought against this back when and gained labor rights and had growth and productivity since then along with quality of life. When you bring a country up to a middle class life this happens. Middle class jobs don't get more productive when you do them 80 hours a week rather than 40.
- pixl97 4y ago
  I'm not sure about China, but South Korea fertility rate is .8. Planning to work harder than a people group currently going extinct sounds like suicide to me. Life just isn't work, but work is one part of life. Work maximalists seem to forget this.
  - germandiago 4y ago
    Well, this is part of my point. Life is not only work, but if you have leading products/economies you stay in a better position. If a whole block overtakes the other as we are legislating better and better conditions to non-end without paying attention to other factors, the fate is clear.
- culopatin 4y ago
  Why level down? Thinking that working less than 40hs = being royal is that terrible work culture Americans have to make themselves feel better about not being effective and efficient. Some think that being in an office longer equals putting out more product when in reality they are just farting around the office wasting time and keeping everyone else hostage of their poor time management. If I get my project done in 30hs and want to go home, am I royal? Just work harder, smarter, not longer.
- PicassoCTs 4y ago
  Who cares? The whole ponzi-scheme is coming down in the next 5 years anyway. Climate refugee waves, climate wars, working for worthless money to rent property the old generations pension funds hold hostage to keep the facade up for another year. Why should anyone pour the limited good years they have into this, to appease a lifestyle reality that will be out of stock no matter what? Why try to be part of the kings court and in favor, when they open a head bowling alley on the place de concorde? I really do not get the appeal of this self-hypnotizing mindset. Do you think one can will reality into a different shape, by the powers of believe alone? China is coming undone as we write. Go home, schedule a meetup with your parents, family, friend, anyone. Hold your loved ones, while the world goes. This party is over.
eesmith 4y ago
> Labour is usually 8hrs/day 40hr/week. Bc we got used to. Because working more overtime lowers average productivity. That's a reason why Ford switched to a 40-hour week even though he wasn't legally required to do so. And its likely is a factor for why "South Korea has the fastest shortening working time in the OECD" and "[in China] work hours have reportedly been falling for about three decades due to rising productivity, better labor laws, and the spread of the two-day weekend." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time > I myself have even worked 22 hours in a row Sure. But don't mix short exceptions like this with derision about 40hr/weeks and "when Korean and Chinese overtake us", because those are two entirely different topics.
- germandiago 4y ago
  > Sure. But don't mix short exceptions like this with derision about 40hr/weeks and "when Korean and Chinese overtake us", because those are two entirely different topics. No, I do not try to mix it. Just the news looked like a bit out of context to me. I do not know what they found when they started to inspect and how urgent it is to fix or whatever whatever they found, but I guess that Musk is not carrying with him a whip and making everyone sleep in-office systematically. It could be perfectly a peak of work for some reason. but it looks like they try to mean something else.
  - eesmith 4y ago
    Then how does "when Korean and Chinese overtake us" have any relevancy to the context? > but I guess that Musk is not carrying with him a whip and making everyone sleep in-office systematically Sweatshop bosses don't usually carry whips either, so your hyperbolic analogy doesn't really seem that meaningful.
    - germandiago 4y ago
      It seems I will have to explain it as I would for a kid: I do not think he is trying to enslave workers systematically :)
Comevius 4y ago
They are in this situation because Elon Musk keeps haphazardly pulling the ground under them. There is no larger purpose other than an incompetent, vindictive billionaire trying to save money after buying something he didn't want. Like driving these people to the wall will do anything for Twitter. The people needed for running the platform were either fired or quit. They deployed Twitter Blue without a proper privacy review, potentially in violation of FTC's consent order, which can even land people in jail.

senttoschool 4y ago

>Labour is usually 8hrs/day 40hr/week. Bc we got used to. But when Korean and Chinese overtake us there will not be amount of whining that saves us from our lower productivity bc they have a harder mind. I'm with you here. A lot of Silicon Valley workers are used to 35 hour work weeks with extremely inflated salaries. They think just because they know how to write a for loop, they should be treated by kings and queens. And when Chinese and Korean companies outcompete them, they become racist or anti-Asian.

theCrowing 4y ago
We waiting for that moment now for what? 20 years?
- germandiago 4y ago
  You know? Whether we like it or not, an asian is not usually looking at the watch to see when it is time to go. Productivity-wise I think they make some mistakes we westernes do not make, like for example, in communication, because of many cultural things, they tend to not speak out. That is in our advantage to some extent. On the other hand, they are not going to look at the clock and say "hey my contract is 40 hours I am gonna call the union!". Like it or not, this part is destroying us. It is a matter of time. China is already overtaking US in some key areas technology-wise, like electric car (they own also 80% of lithium mines) and other stuff. So if you want to fool yourself... My opinion is that we have been getting steadily worse in values from the fact that we became very comfortable. By this I mean also myself: my parents were better in attitude and my grandparents also. That is how I see it. God forgive me for being politically incorrect and wanting to enslave humanity (probably I would be accused of things like this nowadays in Europe) or something for saying that, but productivity comes from labour.
  - theCrowing 4y ago
    Well let's talk in 20 years again because everything you wrote was written 20 years ago. Nothing ever happens.
    - germandiago 4y ago
      We still have an advantage on some areas, such as communication and a big part of the education. But the level of improvement in Asia is really big already. I do not talk from outside. I have been in Asia for 11 years living. If we do not give a push to our mindsets, we will become irrelevant and that includes leaning on effort and self-reliance and self-improvement, which is what took us here. I see (Europe, dnt know US but from the media looks like kind of the same) a huge amount of rights and whining. I know I will get more negatives for this. I just describe what I see :)
      - theCrowing 4y ago
        You are just repeating the same arguments that were repeated back then. It's like you are running circles around the discussion at hand. Asia will neither overtake the west in worker productivity nor revenue per worker anytime soon if at all. They need to lift way more people out of poverty before it will ever happen. At the moment they are running their economy on scale but as we are seeing now with their housing market, draconian covid lockdowns and governmental regulations, that they are running on fumes with the engine light on.
  - pixl97 4y ago
    >On the other hand, they are not going to look at the clock and say "hey my contract is 40 hours I am gonna call the union!". Like it or not, this part is destroying us. Did you come straight outta 1850? This is not destroying is at all. We used to work this much in the US. We fought against this back when and gained labor rights and had growth and productivity since then along with quality of life. When you bring a country up to a middle class life this happens. Middle class jobs don't get more productive when you do them 80 hours a week rather than 40.
pixl97 4y ago
I'm not sure about China, but South Korea fertility rate is .8. Planning to work harder than a people group currently going extinct sounds like suicide to me. Life just isn't work, but work is one part of life. Work maximalists seem to forget this.
- germandiago 4y ago
  Well, this is part of my point. Life is not only work, but if you have leading products/economies you stay in a better position. If a whole block overtakes the other as we are legislating better and better conditions to non-end without paying attention to other factors, the fate is clear.
culopatin 4y ago
Why level down? Thinking that working less than 40hs = being royal is that terrible work culture Americans have to make themselves feel better about not being effective and efficient. Some think that being in an office longer equals putting out more product when in reality they are just farting around the office wasting time and keeping everyone else hostage of their poor time management. If I get my project done in 30hs and want to go home, am I royal? Just work harder, smarter, not longer.
PicassoCTs 4y ago
Who cares? The whole ponzi-scheme is coming down in the next 5 years anyway. Climate refugee waves, climate wars, working for worthless money to rent property the old generations pension funds hold hostage to keep the facade up for another year. Why should anyone pour the limited good years they have into this, to appease a lifestyle reality that will be out of stock no matter what? Why try to be part of the kings court and in favor, when they open a head bowling alley on the place de concorde? I really do not get the appeal of this self-hypnotizing mindset. Do you think one can will reality into a different shape, by the powers of believe alone? China is coming undone as we write. Go home, schedule a meetup with your parents, family, friend, anyone. Hold your loved ones, while the world goes. This party is over.

eesmith 4y ago

> Labour is usually 8hrs/day 40hr/week. Bc we got used to. Because working more overtime lowers average productivity. That's a reason why Ford switched to a 40-hour week even though he wasn't legally required to do so. And its likely is a factor for why "South Korea has the fastest shortening working time in the OECD" and "[in China] work hours have reportedly been falling for about three decades due to rising productivity, better labor laws, and the spread of the two-day weekend." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time > I myself have even worked 22 hours in a row Sure. But don't mix short exceptions like this with derision about 40hr/weeks and "when Korean and Chinese overtake us", because those are two entirely different topics.

germandiago 4y ago
> Sure. But don't mix short exceptions like this with derision about 40hr/weeks and "when Korean and Chinese overtake us", because those are two entirely different topics. No, I do not try to mix it. Just the news looked like a bit out of context to me. I do not know what they found when they started to inspect and how urgent it is to fix or whatever whatever they found, but I guess that Musk is not carrying with him a whip and making everyone sleep in-office systematically. It could be perfectly a peak of work for some reason. but it looks like they try to mean something else.
- eesmith 4y ago
  Then how does "when Korean and Chinese overtake us" have any relevancy to the context? > but I guess that Musk is not carrying with him a whip and making everyone sleep in-office systematically Sweatshop bosses don't usually carry whips either, so your hyperbolic analogy doesn't really seem that meaningful.
  - germandiago 4y ago
    It seems I will have to explain it as I would for a kid: I do not think he is trying to enslave workers systematically :)

Comevius 4y ago

They are in this situation because Elon Musk keeps haphazardly pulling the ground under them. There is no larger purpose other than an incompetent, vindictive billionaire trying to save money after buying something he didn't want. Like driving these people to the wall will do anything for Twitter. The people needed for running the platform were either fired or quit. They deployed Twitter Blue without a proper privacy review, potentially in violation of FTC's consent order, which can even land people in jail.