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Not parent nor have I contributed to this thread in anyway beside this post, but I have to say for someone who so easily accuse others of having personal bias y

by nolok 4y ago

Not parent nor have I contributed to this thread in anyway beside this post, but I have to say for someone who so easily accuse others of having personal bias you seem to be really deeply invested into proving how great Elon is. Your messages in this entire subthread add essentially nothing beside quote without context about how great and smart Elon is. In an era where online manipulation is becoming ubiquitous, when talking about someone who has a clear ego issue and the desperate need to be seen as awesome (to the point he has several cases of acting against his best interest just to protect his ego, across several companies), and in the context of that person acquiring one the platform most forward in the whole social media space that pushed those issues forward... I find that interesting. I am not accusing you of anything, I'm merely saying your messages have the opposite result on me than the one you intend.

panick21_ 4y ago
Many people who are in fact awesome have egos. Anybody who follows sports knows this. Elon as a person certainty has lots of flaws, but he is also quite clearly really good at a lot of things people who try to downplay that and claim its all 'luck' or 'failing upwards' usually just don't like his personality.
theonething 4y ago
> Your messages in this entire subthread add essentially nothing beside quote without context That's not true. I invite you to read my messages again and note that I've made 5 comments, all of them timestamped before yours, and only in 2 of them have I referenced quotes. > about how great and smart Elon is That's not exactly accurate and seems tinged with your interpretation of my intentions. I've supplied quotes to show that Elon is well versed in rocket science. > add essentially nothing beside quote without context A commenter claimed that Musk did not understand rocketry. I replied with quotes from industry experts declaring the exact opposite. What more context do you need? I'm not a fanboy and have anything invested in proving how great he is. Personally, I think he can be a big jerk at times and at others brilliant. The issue I'm trying to address that I see over and over again are the false claims that Musk has no idea what he is doing technically and steals credit from the engineers he hires. When I see a ubiquitous false claim that is easy disproven in 3 minutes with a Google search and copy and paste, then why not? I believe HN is a place where truth and reason are valued and misinformation corrected, so I think my comments and references have been valuable in that respect and apparently so do the 30+ people that have upvoted my first comment with the quotes even though they are "without context." > your messages have the opposite result on me than the one you intend My intention has been to present information to counter misinformation about Musk's technical skills. If you still believe he doesn't have technical skills, that's your prerogative of course. I'm just supplying information that looks authentic to me and leave it up to the reader to decide.
- lupire 4y ago
  I believe is Musk is as technically skilled and capable as the average or above average engineer, and certainly as the above average billionaire. I believe he can read up on things and carry on intelligent conversations. I believe he can impress people who aren't used to strangers even trying to understand technical issues. I don't believe he is solving any substantial technical problems at SpaceX or "designing rockets" himself.
  - theonething 4y ago
    > people who aren't used to strangers even trying to understand technical issues. Do you think this describes Zubrin, Watson, Sarsfield or the other experts in the reddit post I referenced? Do you think he fooled Jim Cantrell? > He is by far the single smartest person that I have ever worked with ... period. > I found out later that he was talking to a bunch of other people about rocket designs and collaborating on some spreadsheet level systems designs for launchers. Once our dealings with the Russians fell apart, he decided to build his own rocket and this was the genesis of SpaceX. https://qr.ae/pvEkLe https://qr.ae/pvEkLe > I don't believe he is solving any substantial technical problems at SpaceX or "designing rockets" himself. Thanks for sharing your belief. What would be interesting and potentially more educational is if you shared the basis for your belief.
theonething 4y ago
Also, the reason I suspect personal bias in the comment I replied to us because of how low effort and fallacious it was. They claimed the people I referenced were Musk's employees and therefore said those things to kiss his ass get to get on his good side and avoid being fired. This so blatantly false and easy to disapprove. Most of them weren't ever employees and none of them are current employees of Musk. When someone grasps at falsehoods like this in an attempt to discredit others, it naturally raises suspicions about their motives.

by nolok 4y ago

panick21_ 4y ago

Many people who are in fact awesome have egos. Anybody who follows sports knows this. Elon as a person certainty has lots of flaws, but he is also quite clearly really good at a lot of things people who try to downplay that and claim its all 'luck' or 'failing upwards' usually just don't like his personality.

theonething 4y ago

> Your messages in this entire subthread add essentially nothing beside quote without context That's not true. I invite you to read my messages again and note that I've made 5 comments, all of them timestamped before yours, and only in 2 of them have I referenced quotes. > about how great and smart Elon is That's not exactly accurate and seems tinged with your interpretation of my intentions. I've supplied quotes to show that Elon is well versed in rocket science. > add essentially nothing beside quote without context A commenter claimed that Musk did not understand rocketry. I replied with quotes from industry experts declaring the exact opposite. What more context do you need? I'm not a fanboy and have anything invested in proving how great he is. Personally, I think he can be a big jerk at times and at others brilliant. The issue I'm trying to address that I see over and over again are the false claims that Musk has no idea what he is doing technically and steals credit from the engineers he hires. When I see a ubiquitous false claim that is easy disproven in 3 minutes with a Google search and copy and paste, then why not? I believe HN is a place where truth and reason are valued and misinformation corrected, so I think my comments and references have been valuable in that respect and apparently so do the 30+ people that have upvoted my first comment with the quotes even though they are "without context." > your messages have the opposite result on me than the one you intend My intention has been to present information to counter misinformation about Musk's technical skills. If you still believe he doesn't have technical skills, that's your prerogative of course. I'm just supplying information that looks authentic to me and leave it up to the reader to decide.

lupire 4y ago
I believe is Musk is as technically skilled and capable as the average or above average engineer, and certainly as the above average billionaire. I believe he can read up on things and carry on intelligent conversations. I believe he can impress people who aren't used to strangers even trying to understand technical issues. I don't believe he is solving any substantial technical problems at SpaceX or "designing rockets" himself.
- theonething 4y ago
  > people who aren't used to strangers even trying to understand technical issues. Do you think this describes Zubrin, Watson, Sarsfield or the other experts in the reddit post I referenced? Do you think he fooled Jim Cantrell? > He is by far the single smartest person that I have ever worked with ... period. > I found out later that he was talking to a bunch of other people about rocket designs and collaborating on some spreadsheet level systems designs for launchers. Once our dealings with the Russians fell apart, he decided to build his own rocket and this was the genesis of SpaceX. https://qr.ae/pvEkLe https://qr.ae/pvEkLe > I don't believe he is solving any substantial technical problems at SpaceX or "designing rockets" himself. Thanks for sharing your belief. What would be interesting and potentially more educational is if you shared the basis for your belief.

theonething 4y ago

Also, the reason I suspect personal bias in the comment I replied to us because of how low effort and fallacious it was. They claimed the people I referenced were Musk's employees and therefore said those things to kiss his ass get to get on his good side and avoid being fired. This so blatantly false and easy to disapprove. Most of them weren't ever employees and none of them are current employees of Musk. When someone grasps at falsehoods like this in an attempt to discredit others, it naturally raises suspicions about their motives.