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Twitter director of product management sleeping on office floor – Twitter

13 points by isaacfrond 4y ago

colesantiago 4y ago
Elon must be enjoying all of this. Thankfully the efforts to try and save Twitter is all failing.
- ispo 4y ago
  And that is what he wants.
senttoschool 4y ago
Um... I advocate for in-person work and working hard. I do not advocate for this. Elon has definitely made lives worse for Twitter employees, those that were laid off, fired, and retained.
- germandiago 4y ago
  Instead of jugdging for a silly pic, probably in extreme circumstances, why can't you think two things? 1. it is an exceptional situation. 2. you know if the person accepted? 3. probably the salary is high. I myself have even worked 22 hours in a row or 16/12/10/11 in one week in a very extreme case. I do not blame anyone. Labour is usually 8hrs/day 40hr/week. Bc we got used to. But when Korean and Chinese overtake us there will not be amount of whining that saves us from our lower productivity bc they have a harder mind. With this I do not mean we should work super hard. What I mean is that if sometimes a situation requires extra work for some reason that we cannot even asses from a single pic, then people should be allowed to do it. I know I will get a ton of negatives for this. That is not going to change my opinion. We learnt whining at our fullest as if that was going to fix something.
  - senttoschool 4y ago
    >Labour is usually 8hrs/day 40hr/week. Bc we got used to. But when Korean and Chinese overtake us there will not be amount of whining that saves us from our lower productivity bc they have a harder mind. I'm with you here. A lot of Silicon Valley workers are used to 35 hour work weeks with extremely inflated salaries. They think just because they know how to write a for loop, they should be treated by kings and queens. And when Chinese and Korean companies outcompete them, they become racist or anti-Asian.
    - theCrowing 4y ago
      We waiting for that moment now for what? 20 years?
      - germandiago 4y ago
        You know? Whether we like it or not, an asian is not usually looking at the watch to see when it is time to go. Productivity-wise I think they make some mistakes we westernes do not make, like for example, in communication, because of many cultural things, they tend to not speak out. That is in our advantage to some extent. On the other hand, they are not going to look at the clock and say "hey my contract is 40 hours I am gonna call the union!". Like it or not, this part is destroying us. It is a matter of time. China is already overtaking US in some key areas technology-wise, like electric car (they own also 80% of lithium mines) and other stuff. So if you want to fool yourself... My opinion is that we have been getting steadily worse in values from the fact that we became very comfortable. By this I mean also myself: my parents were better in attitude and my grandparents also. That is how I see it. God forgive me for being politically incorrect and wanting to enslave humanity (probably I would be accused of things like this nowadays in Europe) or something for saying that, but productivity comes from labour.
        theCrowing 4y ago
        Well let's talk in 20 years again because everything you wrote was written 20 years ago. Nothing ever happens.
  - eesmith 4y ago
    > Labour is usually 8hrs/day 40hr/week. Bc we got used to. Because working more overtime lowers average productivity. That's a reason why Ford switched to a 40-hour week even though he wasn't legally required to do so. And its likely is a factor for why "South Korea has the fastest shortening working time in the OECD" and "[in China] work hours have reportedly been falling for about three decades due to rising productivity, better labor laws, and the spread of the two-day weekend." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time > I myself have even worked 22 hours in a row Sure. But don't mix short exceptions like this with derision about 40hr/weeks and "when Korean and Chinese overtake us", because those are two entirely different topics.
    - germandiago 4y ago
      > Sure. But don't mix short exceptions like this with derision about 40hr/weeks and "when Korean and Chinese overtake us", because those are two entirely different topics. No, I do not try to mix it. Just the news looked like a bit out of context to me. I do not know what they found when they started to inspect and how urgent it is to fix or whatever whatever they found, but I guess that Musk is not carrying with him a whip and making everyone sleep in-office systematically. It could be perfectly a peak of work for some reason. but it looks like they try to mean something else.
      - eesmith 4y ago
        Then how does "when Korean and Chinese overtake us" have any relevancy to the context? > but I guess that Musk is not carrying with him a whip and making everyone sleep in-office systematically Sweatshop bosses don't usually carry whips either, so your hyperbolic analogy doesn't really seem that meaningful.
        germandiago 4y ago
        It seems I will have to explain it as I would for a kid: I do not think he is trying to enslave workers systematically :)
  - Comevius 4y ago
    They are in this situation because Elon Musk keeps haphazardly pulling the ground under them. There is no larger purpose other than an incompetent, vindictive billionaire trying to save money after buying something he didn't want. Like driving these people to the wall will do anything for Twitter. The people needed for running the platform were either fired or quit. They deployed Twitter Blue without a proper privacy review, potentially in violation of FTC's consent order, which can even land people in jail.
- texasbigdata 4y ago
  Let’s just be unnecessarily skeptical. Follow me on this line of thinking. “Hmm Elon has a reputation for not liking hard workers (the comment in his book about him getting mad the spacex parking lot wasn’t sufficiently busy on a Saturday), he’s doing a massive layoff, he’s stated this random goal (finish this or get fired)…..hmmm….ok team let’s do this: photograph me sleeping and post it, and then if I don’t get fired for being perceived as working hard, I’ll make sure you’re protected too”. There is zero chance you’d post a twitter photo of your boss in that setting without pre clearing their permission. Also, as a former investment banker, I’ve slept under my desk a few times and always kept a sleeping bag hidden away. If you’re actually working hard you know how you do this? You either close and lock your office door, or go out of your way to obscure what you’re doing….no one wants to know or see you’re sleeping at the office like an animal. Of course that’s the most skeptical least trustful view. Still, let’s take a grain of salt. The amount of PR she’s generated from that picture is massive. Assume she gets fired now; due to preempting with the sleeping on the floor pic, it’d cause a massive backlash. So in a way she purchased insurance, if you want to be cynical, for herself in a very calculated way.
  - senttoschool 4y ago
    True. Nice perspective.
  - user_named 4y ago
    She wanted Elon to see her.
  - ispo 4y ago
    Another impression I get is that no co-worker cares anymore.
theCrowing 4y ago
Finally these high school theater classes pay off. I don't even mean it in a negative way I bet you get a lot of crownie points on Musks chart for performative work I would abuse it too.
thegypsyking 4y ago
Director = 1 milli a year total comp I’d switch positions in a heartbeat, and I have good work like balance but only make a fifth of that. Cry me a river.
SanjayMehta 4y ago
Been there, done that. One of the best places to sleep is in the server room, the white noise from all the fans is quite soothing.
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  Best hope you can wake up quick if the Halon goes off though.
  - SanjayMehta 4y ago
    Huh. Never even thought of that. Anyway those days are long behind me. Will stop recommending this though.
powerapple 4y ago
I applaud for people enjoying doing things, as long as you are happy, do it your way. Life is tradeoffs, we cannot have everything anyway. Doing what you love to do is a bless.

13 points by isaacfrond 4y ago

colesantiago 4y ago

Elon must be enjoying all of this. Thankfully the efforts to try and save Twitter is all failing.

ispo 4y ago
And that is what he wants.

senttoschool 4y ago

Um... I advocate for in-person work and working hard. I do not advocate for this. Elon has definitely made lives worse for Twitter employees, those that were laid off, fired, and retained.

germandiago 4y ago
Instead of jugdging for a silly pic, probably in extreme circumstances, why can't you think two things? 1. it is an exceptional situation. 2. you know if the person accepted? 3. probably the salary is high. I myself have even worked 22 hours in a row or 16/12/10/11 in one week in a very extreme case. I do not blame anyone. Labour is usually 8hrs/day 40hr/week. Bc we got used to. But when Korean and Chinese overtake us there will not be amount of whining that saves us from our lower productivity bc they have a harder mind. With this I do not mean we should work super hard. What I mean is that if sometimes a situation requires extra work for some reason that we cannot even asses from a single pic, then people should be allowed to do it. I know I will get a ton of negatives for this. That is not going to change my opinion. We learnt whining at our fullest as if that was going to fix something.
- senttoschool 4y ago
  >Labour is usually 8hrs/day 40hr/week. Bc we got used to. But when Korean and Chinese overtake us there will not be amount of whining that saves us from our lower productivity bc they have a harder mind. I'm with you here. A lot of Silicon Valley workers are used to 35 hour work weeks with extremely inflated salaries. They think just because they know how to write a for loop, they should be treated by kings and queens. And when Chinese and Korean companies outcompete them, they become racist or anti-Asian.
  - theCrowing 4y ago
    We waiting for that moment now for what? 20 years?
    - germandiago 4y ago
      You know? Whether we like it or not, an asian is not usually looking at the watch to see when it is time to go. Productivity-wise I think they make some mistakes we westernes do not make, like for example, in communication, because of many cultural things, they tend to not speak out. That is in our advantage to some extent. On the other hand, they are not going to look at the clock and say "hey my contract is 40 hours I am gonna call the union!". Like it or not, this part is destroying us. It is a matter of time. China is already overtaking US in some key areas technology-wise, like electric car (they own also 80% of lithium mines) and other stuff. So if you want to fool yourself... My opinion is that we have been getting steadily worse in values from the fact that we became very comfortable. By this I mean also myself: my parents were better in attitude and my grandparents also. That is how I see it. God forgive me for being politically incorrect and wanting to enslave humanity (probably I would be accused of things like this nowadays in Europe) or something for saying that, but productivity comes from labour.
      - theCrowing 4y ago
        Well let's talk in 20 years again because everything you wrote was written 20 years ago. Nothing ever happens.
- eesmith 4y ago
  > Labour is usually 8hrs/day 40hr/week. Bc we got used to. Because working more overtime lowers average productivity. That's a reason why Ford switched to a 40-hour week even though he wasn't legally required to do so. And its likely is a factor for why "South Korea has the fastest shortening working time in the OECD" and "[in China] work hours have reportedly been falling for about three decades due to rising productivity, better labor laws, and the spread of the two-day weekend." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_time > I myself have even worked 22 hours in a row Sure. But don't mix short exceptions like this with derision about 40hr/weeks and "when Korean and Chinese overtake us", because those are two entirely different topics.
  - germandiago 4y ago
    > Sure. But don't mix short exceptions like this with derision about 40hr/weeks and "when Korean and Chinese overtake us", because those are two entirely different topics. No, I do not try to mix it. Just the news looked like a bit out of context to me. I do not know what they found when they started to inspect and how urgent it is to fix or whatever whatever they found, but I guess that Musk is not carrying with him a whip and making everyone sleep in-office systematically. It could be perfectly a peak of work for some reason. but it looks like they try to mean something else.
    - eesmith 4y ago
      Then how does "when Korean and Chinese overtake us" have any relevancy to the context? > but I guess that Musk is not carrying with him a whip and making everyone sleep in-office systematically Sweatshop bosses don't usually carry whips either, so your hyperbolic analogy doesn't really seem that meaningful.
      - germandiago 4y ago
        It seems I will have to explain it as I would for a kid: I do not think he is trying to enslave workers systematically :)
- Comevius 4y ago
  They are in this situation because Elon Musk keeps haphazardly pulling the ground under them. There is no larger purpose other than an incompetent, vindictive billionaire trying to save money after buying something he didn't want. Like driving these people to the wall will do anything for Twitter. The people needed for running the platform were either fired or quit. They deployed Twitter Blue without a proper privacy review, potentially in violation of FTC's consent order, which can even land people in jail.
texasbigdata 4y ago
Let’s just be unnecessarily skeptical. Follow me on this line of thinking. “Hmm Elon has a reputation for not liking hard workers (the comment in his book about him getting mad the spacex parking lot wasn’t sufficiently busy on a Saturday), he’s doing a massive layoff, he’s stated this random goal (finish this or get fired)…..hmmm….ok team let’s do this: photograph me sleeping and post it, and then if I don’t get fired for being perceived as working hard, I’ll make sure you’re protected too”. There is zero chance you’d post a twitter photo of your boss in that setting without pre clearing their permission. Also, as a former investment banker, I’ve slept under my desk a few times and always kept a sleeping bag hidden away. If you’re actually working hard you know how you do this? You either close and lock your office door, or go out of your way to obscure what you’re doing….no one wants to know or see you’re sleeping at the office like an animal. Of course that’s the most skeptical least trustful view. Still, let’s take a grain of salt. The amount of PR she’s generated from that picture is massive. Assume she gets fired now; due to preempting with the sleeping on the floor pic, it’d cause a massive backlash. So in a way she purchased insurance, if you want to be cynical, for herself in a very calculated way.
- senttoschool 4y ago
  True. Nice perspective.
- user_named 4y ago
  She wanted Elon to see her.
- ispo 4y ago
  Another impression I get is that no co-worker cares anymore.

theCrowing 4y ago

Finally these high school theater classes pay off. I don't even mean it in a negative way I bet you get a lot of crownie points on Musks chart for performative work I would abuse it too.

thegypsyking 4y ago

Director = 1 milli a year total comp I’d switch positions in a heartbeat, and I have good work like balance but only make a fifth of that. Cry me a river.

SanjayMehta 4y ago

Been there, done that. One of the best places to sleep is in the server room, the white noise from all the fans is quite soothing.

zimpenfish 4y ago
Best hope you can wake up quick if the Halon goes off though.
- SanjayMehta 4y ago
  Huh. Never even thought of that. Anyway those days are long behind me. Will stop recommending this though.

powerapple 4y ago

I applaud for people enjoying doing things, as long as you are happy, do it your way. Life is tradeoffs, we cannot have everything anyway. Doing what you love to do is a bless.