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No, the EU members just have different mad laws that we in the USA will never have, like hate speech bans (which I have argued lead to the Jyllands-Posten riots

No, the EU members just have different mad laws that we in the USA will never have, like hate speech bans (which I have argued lead to the Jyllands-Posten riots because they give an appearance of unequal protection), bans criticizing religions, disagreeing with the scope of the holocaust, etc, and banning the advertising that water helps reduce the chance of dehydration. Similarly Ireland has recently reinstituted blasphemy laws (given the demographics of Ireland, almost certainly to protect the Catholic church from certain forms of criticism). The fact of the matter is, stupid laws exist everwhere. Nobody is immune. EU countries have generally done a somewhat better job in some areas but worse in others (allowing copyright of mere lists of facts for example).

rmc 15y ago
Nah Ireland's blashpemy law is just a silly nonsense law that's never going to be enforced. The Irish government has floated ideas of literally confiscating lands/schools of the catholic church. They aren't protecting them all the way.
kiloaper 15y ago
"Similarly Ireland has recently reinstituted blasphemy laws" That is not true. Blasphemy has always been a crime since the formation of our country. It's in our constitution, which is embarrassingly old-fashioned and the new government has committed to reforming it. As such, removing the blasphemy law requires a referendum, which we have been promised along with about 3 others in 2012. It was a legal necessity to update the law in regard to blasphemy as it was in legal limbo since it was found to be unenforceable years ago. It has to be in law because it's in our constitution. It is still practically unenforceable due to its wording, something the Minsiter for Justice admitted to. "given the demographics of Ireland, almost certainly to protect the Catholic church from certain forms of criticis" Also not true. There are no mainstream groups supporting retaining the blasphemy law. Even church leaders, for what it's worth, have spoken out against it. The government at present also has the weakest relationship with the church, probably the weakest in the history of our state. Our Prime Minister has attacked the church and notably the Vatican mercilessly since taking office and the Minister for Education is attempting to take lots of schools out of church ownership.
- rmc 15y ago
  It has to be in law because it's in our constitution Yeah I've heard that too, and could well be true. But we're almost 20 years after the X Case, and it's not put into law when a woman can access an abortion. :P
  - kiloaper 15y ago
    That's not really a correct comparison. The criteria for legal abortions were not introduced to the constitution after the X case. You're thinking of the eighth amendment, a decade earlier. The thirteenth and fourteenth amendments which resulted from the X case were in relation to allowing women are free to travel abroad and get information while still in Ireland as a result.

rmc 15y ago

Nah Ireland's blashpemy law is just a silly nonsense law that's never going to be enforced. The Irish government has floated ideas of literally confiscating lands/schools of the catholic church. They aren't protecting them all the way.

kiloaper 15y ago

"Similarly Ireland has recently reinstituted blasphemy laws" That is not true. Blasphemy has always been a crime since the formation of our country. It's in our constitution, which is embarrassingly old-fashioned and the new government has committed to reforming it. As such, removing the blasphemy law requires a referendum, which we have been promised along with about 3 others in 2012. It was a legal necessity to update the law in regard to blasphemy as it was in legal limbo since it was found to be unenforceable years ago. It has to be in law because it's in our constitution. It is still practically unenforceable due to its wording, something the Minsiter for Justice admitted to. "given the demographics of Ireland, almost certainly to protect the Catholic church from certain forms of criticis" Also not true. There are no mainstream groups supporting retaining the blasphemy law. Even church leaders, for what it's worth, have spoken out against it. The government at present also has the weakest relationship with the church, probably the weakest in the history of our state. Our Prime Minister has attacked the church and notably the Vatican mercilessly since taking office and the Minister for Education is attempting to take lots of schools out of church ownership.

rmc 15y ago
It has to be in law because it's in our constitution Yeah I've heard that too, and could well be true. But we're almost 20 years after the X Case, and it's not put into law when a woman can access an abortion. :P
- kiloaper 15y ago
  That's not really a correct comparison. The criteria for legal abortions were not introduced to the constitution after the X case. You're thinking of the eighth amendment, a decade earlier. The thirteenth and fourteenth amendments which resulted from the X case were in relation to allowing women are free to travel abroad and get information while still in Ireland as a result.