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Really interesting to see these sorts of comparisons both as someone who was previously a heavy user of Pinboard and really admired what Maciej was able to achi

by bsnnkv 4y ago

Really interesting to see these sorts of comparisons both as someone who was previously a heavy user of Pinboard and really admired what Maciej was able to achieve with solid execution on a simple idea. One thing that I found really lacking in Raindrop and other alternatives was the support for treating online commentary as a first class citizen, which ultimately led me to develop my own little service which has served me very well since 2020.[1] I have made it available to others to use over a 2-year-long free beta test which will end this year, but ultimately I'm starting to think that this kind of service is just so personal (or maybe, that my own needs are so individual?) that it's hard for users to settle on a service in this area that leaves them feeling completely satisfied. [1]: https://notado.app https://notado.app

skinnymuch 4y ago
Seems like a neat service and spin on bookmarking. Checking it out.
canadiantim 4y ago
Looks very nice. May I ask, how do you intend to handle moderation?
- bsnnkv 4y ago
  I feel you may be a bit more optimistic than I am about how many people will pay to use Notado once the free beta ends. ;) It's not something I've thought extensively about. I imagine the worst case scenario (outside of having to comply with legal orders) would be having to disable public feeds for somebody, but I'm not too comfortable getting into specifics based on hypotheticals at this point. Hopefully I'll never have to cross that bridge, but if I do, I'll cross it when I come to it.
s3000 4y ago
>Notado is a content-first approach to online bookmarking, where the paragraphs and sentences that make you want to bookmark something are treated as first-class citizens rather than pieces of additional metadata. With Notado, your bookmarks focus around selections of text, which are fully searchable and can be organised however makes sense to you with a powerful automatic tagging system. With first-class paragraphs, how do you position yourself in relation to Obsidian and Roam? >https://notado.app/feeds/jado/software-development https://notado.app/feeds/jado/software-development Looking at that example, is it possible to add comments to the quotes? I am looking for a timeless service where I can share a bookmark with others and have them add their comments, preferably openly with ActivityPub. Your Kulli service seems to be a complement for that: >https://kulli.sh/search?q=https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-users-mastodon-meltdown/ https://kulli.sh/search?q=https://www.wired.com/story/twitte... It would be nice to discover people with the same interests and their links about the same topic. Do you have plans to extend kulli.sh to include Twitter and other social networks? The difficulty of ranking a huge amount of comments seems to be accessible with the history of good comments from notado.app.
- bsnnkv 4y ago
  Thanks for leaving such a thoughtful comment! I'll do my best to reply to specific parts: > With first-class paragraphs, how do you position yourself in relation to Obsidian and Roam? I don't use or see the utility of tools like this personally; they are in my mind a great example of Žižek's take on Lacanian "surplus enjoyment". I imagine some people will nevertheless want to take things they save to Notado and export them to Obsidian, Roam, Notion etc., and I have built out incremental export APIs for people who have this particular use case. > Looking at that example, is it possible to add comments to the quotes? No, this is an anti-feature in my opinion for the same reason I mentioned above. People who want this would be better served using Notado as a unified content ingestion engine (comments, article highlights, kindle highlights etc.) and redirecting to the tool of their choice; anything from org-mode to Roam. Commenting on content is such a difficult thing to get right and so many people have their own deeply ingrained ways and expectations around this that I believe it's best to delegate to the end user. > I am looking for a timeless service where I can share a bookmark with others and have them add their comments, preferably openly with ActivityPub I generally like having these conversations in real-time as much as possible, but I think there is a great idea somewhere in here. Let me chew on this for a bit. > It would be nice to discover people with the same interests and their links about the same topic. This is what Notado Feeds are intended for; I would love for it to catch on by people including links to their Feeds home in their bios on Mastodon, Twitter, Github etc. (this is what I do!) I'm also looking at creating a hub to improve the discoverability of user-curated topic feeds, searching by tags, showing the most popular feeds by number of RSS hits etc. > Do you have plans to extend kulli.sh to include Twitter and other social networks Twitter was never really on the cards because it's such a developer-hostile platform to work and integrate with, and given its ongoing implosion this is even less likely to happen. I'm interested in somehow trying to include Mastodon (or specific Mastodon instances maybe?) in the future, but that's about all that's on my radar for the immediate future. > The difficulty of ranking a huge amount of comments seems to be accessible with the history of good comments from notado.app. This is a really cool idea; I would love to be able to even highlight or filter comments on a link from users whose comments I have previously saved on my Notado account on Kullish!

by bsnnkv 4y ago

skinnymuch 4y ago

Seems like a neat service and spin on bookmarking. Checking it out.

canadiantim 4y ago

Looks very nice. May I ask, how do you intend to handle moderation?

bsnnkv 4y ago
I feel you may be a bit more optimistic than I am about how many people will pay to use Notado once the free beta ends. ;) It's not something I've thought extensively about. I imagine the worst case scenario (outside of having to comply with legal orders) would be having to disable public feeds for somebody, but I'm not too comfortable getting into specifics based on hypotheticals at this point. Hopefully I'll never have to cross that bridge, but if I do, I'll cross it when I come to it.

s3000 4y ago

>Notado is a content-first approach to online bookmarking, where the paragraphs and sentences that make you want to bookmark something are treated as first-class citizens rather than pieces of additional metadata. With Notado, your bookmarks focus around selections of text, which are fully searchable and can be organised however makes sense to you with a powerful automatic tagging system. With first-class paragraphs, how do you position yourself in relation to Obsidian and Roam? >https://notado.app/feeds/jado/software-development https://notado.app/feeds/jado/software-development Looking at that example, is it possible to add comments to the quotes? I am looking for a timeless service where I can share a bookmark with others and have them add their comments, preferably openly with ActivityPub. Your Kulli service seems to be a complement for that: >https://kulli.sh/search?q=https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-users-mastodon-meltdown/ https://kulli.sh/search?q=https://www.wired.com/story/twitte... It would be nice to discover people with the same interests and their links about the same topic. Do you have plans to extend kulli.sh to include Twitter and other social networks? The difficulty of ranking a huge amount of comments seems to be accessible with the history of good comments from notado.app.

bsnnkv 4y ago
Thanks for leaving such a thoughtful comment! I'll do my best to reply to specific parts: > With first-class paragraphs, how do you position yourself in relation to Obsidian and Roam? I don't use or see the utility of tools like this personally; they are in my mind a great example of Žižek's take on Lacanian "surplus enjoyment". I imagine some people will nevertheless want to take things they save to Notado and export them to Obsidian, Roam, Notion etc., and I have built out incremental export APIs for people who have this particular use case. > Looking at that example, is it possible to add comments to the quotes? No, this is an anti-feature in my opinion for the same reason I mentioned above. People who want this would be better served using Notado as a unified content ingestion engine (comments, article highlights, kindle highlights etc.) and redirecting to the tool of their choice; anything from org-mode to Roam. Commenting on content is such a difficult thing to get right and so many people have their own deeply ingrained ways and expectations around this that I believe it's best to delegate to the end user. > I am looking for a timeless service where I can share a bookmark with others and have them add their comments, preferably openly with ActivityPub I generally like having these conversations in real-time as much as possible, but I think there is a great idea somewhere in here. Let me chew on this for a bit. > It would be nice to discover people with the same interests and their links about the same topic. This is what Notado Feeds are intended for; I would love for it to catch on by people including links to their Feeds home in their bios on Mastodon, Twitter, Github etc. (this is what I do!) I'm also looking at creating a hub to improve the discoverability of user-curated topic feeds, searching by tags, showing the most popular feeds by number of RSS hits etc. > Do you have plans to extend kulli.sh to include Twitter and other social networks Twitter was never really on the cards because it's such a developer-hostile platform to work and integrate with, and given its ongoing implosion this is even less likely to happen. I'm interested in somehow trying to include Mastodon (or specific Mastodon instances maybe?) in the future, but that's about all that's on my radar for the immediate future. > The difficulty of ranking a huge amount of comments seems to be accessible with the history of good comments from notado.app. This is a really cool idea; I would love to be able to even highlight or filter comments on a link from users whose comments I have previously saved on my Notado account on Kullish!