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Also ": The Bring Attention To element" https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/b https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Elemen

Also ": The Bring Attention To element" https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/b https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/b

jwitthuhn 4y ago
 is perhaps the biggest stretch for "Unarticulated Annotation"
- layer8 4y ago
 “Underscore” is used figuratively, so they could just stick with that.
- blackshaw 4y ago
 Wow, you're not joking: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/u https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/u
- chrismorgan 4y ago
 Actually no, that’s the most accurate one of them (though as “bring attention to” is fairly close too). The actual spec: > The u element represents a span of text with an unarticulated, though explicitly rendered, non-textual annotation, such as labeling the text as being a proper name in Chinese text (a Chinese proper name mark), or labeling the text as being misspelt.
xnx 4y ago
I had never heard this retcon.
- dimmke 4y ago
  This is what the WHATWG group has been spending their time on over the last decade.
  - chrismorgan 4y ago
    No. This is what MDN choose to call it. The actual spec uses no such silly names. Concerning the actual semantics, which are WHATWG’s domain, that was done over fifteen years ago.
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    - josteink 4y ago
      Mozilla stopped spending their money on making a good browser, instead started blowing all their Google-cash on “inclusivity” and “diversity” efforts many, many years ago and fired technical staff which would not tow this new political line. Looking at stuff like this, I think the results are pretty obvious. Despite the “diversity”, the value of what Mozilla offers hasn’t simply stop increasing, it has now started decreasing and in cases like this actually brings negative value to the internet overall. This is what firing/alienating the actual people who did the actual job does. And no amount of “diversity” can make up for it. What a shame. Mozilla used to do so much good.
readthenotes1 4y ago
So unfair to marginalized non-english speakers!
- bqmjjx0kac 4y ago
  What's unfair?
  - readthenotes1 4y ago
    Sorry, was bleeding over from another post. I'm not really sure what unfair is, though, to answer your question.
    - bqmjjx0kac 4y ago
      I'm so confused. Am I speaking with GPT-3?
edflsafoiewq 4y ago
 was permitted to become "the side comment element", but the gods turned their faces away from <big>.
AdamH12113 4y ago
I thought you were joking until I clicked the link.
- crazygringo 4y ago
 Is it just Mozilla coming up with these un(?)-intentionally hilarious retcons? Or are these actually becoming official standard names? I'm truly enjoying the sheer absurdity of it all.
 - Beltalowda 4y ago
 The standard doesn't mention "bold" and offers no reason why is . https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-b-element https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics....
 - rhdunn 4y ago
 From the HTML4 spec (https://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/graphics.html#h-15.2.1 https://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/graphics.html#h-15.2.1): > B: Renders as bold text style. The element (and other style-related elements) were deprecated due to CSS. For b and i the strong and em elements were created as semantic alternatives. Now the b and i elements have been given specific semantic usage and are now not deprecated.
 - bentley 4y ago
 and have never been deprecated, in any version of HTML or XHTML. ( was deprecated in HTML 4, though.)
 - rhdunn 4y ago
 They are part of the changes to the WHATWG HTML specification, so it's not just Mozilla. MDN is just reflecting/documenting what is in the different standards. From https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-b-element https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.... (with _ added for the relevant section used by MDN): > The b element represents a span of text _to which attention is being drawn_ for utilitarian purposes without conveying any extra importance and with no implication of an alternate voice or mood, such as key words in a document abstract, product names in a review, actionable words in interactive text-driven software, or an article lede. From https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-i-element https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.... (with _ added for the relevant section used by MDN): > The i element represents a span of text in an alternate voice or mood, or otherwise offset from the normal prose in a manner indicating a different quality of text, such as a taxonomic designation, a technical term, _an idiomatic phrase_ from another language, transliteration, a thought, or a ship name in Western texts.
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lzooz 4y ago
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/strong https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/st... : The Strong Importance element https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/hr https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/hr <hr>: The Thematic Break (Horizontal Rule) element
runarberg 4y ago
 is amazing if you need some titles in contexts where <h1>-<h6> doesn’t make sense (i.e. will confuse assistive technology). Pair it with aria-labelledby and you’ve created a title for things like <aside>, <nav>, etc. without confusing normal navigation.
das_keyboard 4y ago
> Do not confuse the element with the , , or elements. > The element represents text of certain importance, puts some emphasis on the text and the element represents text of certain relevance. This really confused me. Isn't this all basically the same?

Also ": The Bring Attention To element" https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/b https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/b

jwitthuhn 4y ago

is perhaps the biggest stretch for "Unarticulated Annotation"

layer8 4y ago
“Underscore” is used figuratively, so they could just stick with that.
blackshaw 4y ago
Wow, you're not joking: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/u https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/u
chrismorgan 4y ago
Actually no, that’s the most accurate one of them (though as “bring attention to” is fairly close too). The actual spec: > The u element represents a span of text with an unarticulated, though explicitly rendered, non-textual annotation, such as labeling the text as being a proper name in Chinese text (a Chinese proper name mark), or labeling the text as being misspelt.

xnx 4y ago

I had never heard this retcon.

dimmke 4y ago
This is what the WHATWG group has been spending their time on over the last decade.
- chrismorgan 4y ago
  No. This is what MDN choose to call it. The actual spec uses no such silly names. Concerning the actual semantics, which are WHATWG’s domain, that was done over fifteen years ago.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - josteink 4y ago
    Mozilla stopped spending their money on making a good browser, instead started blowing all their Google-cash on “inclusivity” and “diversity” efforts many, many years ago and fired technical staff which would not tow this new political line. Looking at stuff like this, I think the results are pretty obvious. Despite the “diversity”, the value of what Mozilla offers hasn’t simply stop increasing, it has now started decreasing and in cases like this actually brings negative value to the internet overall. This is what firing/alienating the actual people who did the actual job does. And no amount of “diversity” can make up for it. What a shame. Mozilla used to do so much good.

readthenotes1 4y ago

So unfair to marginalized non-english speakers!

bqmjjx0kac 4y ago
What's unfair?
- readthenotes1 4y ago
  Sorry, was bleeding over from another post. I'm not really sure what unfair is, though, to answer your question.
  - bqmjjx0kac 4y ago
    I'm so confused. Am I speaking with GPT-3?

edflsafoiewq 4y ago

was permitted to become "the side comment element", but the gods turned their faces away from <big>.

AdamH12113 4y ago

I thought you were joking until I clicked the link.

crazygringo 4y ago
Is it just Mozilla coming up with these un(?)-intentionally hilarious retcons? Or are these actually becoming official standard names? I'm truly enjoying the sheer absurdity of it all.
- Beltalowda 4y ago
 The standard doesn't mention "bold" and offers no reason why is . https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-b-element https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics....
 - rhdunn 4y ago
 From the HTML4 spec (https://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/graphics.html#h-15.2.1 https://www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/graphics.html#h-15.2.1): > B: Renders as bold text style. The element (and other style-related elements) were deprecated due to CSS. For b and i the strong and em elements were created as semantic alternatives. Now the b and i elements have been given specific semantic usage and are now not deprecated.
 - bentley 4y ago
 and have never been deprecated, in any version of HTML or XHTML. ( was deprecated in HTML 4, though.)
- rhdunn 4y ago
 They are part of the changes to the WHATWG HTML specification, so it's not just Mozilla. MDN is just reflecting/documenting what is in the different standards. From https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-b-element https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.... (with _ added for the relevant section used by MDN): > The b element represents a span of text _to which attention is being drawn_ for utilitarian purposes without conveying any extra importance and with no implication of an alternate voice or mood, such as key words in a document abstract, product names in a review, actionable words in interactive text-driven software, or an article lede. From https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.html#the-i-element https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/text-level-semantics.... (with _ added for the relevant section used by MDN): > The i element represents a span of text in an alternate voice or mood, or otherwise offset from the normal prose in a manner indicating a different quality of text, such as a taxonomic designation, a technical term, _an idiomatic phrase_ from another language, transliteration, a thought, or a ship name in Western texts.

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lzooz 4y ago

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/strong https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/st... : The Strong Importance element https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/hr https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/hr <hr>: The Thematic Break (Horizontal Rule) element

runarberg 4y ago

is amazing if you need some titles in contexts where <h1>-<h6> doesn’t make sense (i.e. will confuse assistive technology). Pair it with aria-labelledby and you’ve created a title for things like <aside>, <nav>, etc. without confusing normal navigation.

das_keyboard 4y ago

> Do not confuse the element with the , , or elements. > The element represents text of certain importance, puts some emphasis on the text and the element represents text of certain relevance. This really confused me. Isn't this all basically the same?

Also "<b>: The Bring Attention To element" https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/b https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Elemen

Also "<b>: The Bring Attention To element" https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/b https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Elemen