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You see, before Putin they were drowning in dough.

by bilvar 4y ago

palata 4y ago
But before Putin, Putin was not in charge. One could argue that he improved his own situation, yes?
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  Putin has been in charge of Russia for 20 years. In neighbouring China, CCP has produced tremendous economic growth in that timeframe. People calling him a genious should be able to point to some great success he has achieved in all this time, in any activity whatsoever, that an average person could not.
  - LAC-Tech 4y ago
    In neighbouring China, CCP has produced tremendous economic growth in that timeframe. Some perspective is needed - tremendous economic growth is common when you're an incredibly poor country. China - after decades of growth - still has a lower GDP per capita than post-soviet Russia. People calling him a genious should be able to point to some great success he has achieved in all this time, in any activity whatsoever, that an average person could not. I don't see anyone calling him a genius. I'd imagine he's probably fairly smart, like most world leaders. Calling someone an idiot/crazy for starting a war isn't a very useful thing to do, if you're interested in the prevention of war.
    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
      > Some perspective is needed Okay, how about Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary - they have all eclipsed Russia in % growth and nominal value. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=PL-RU-CZ https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?location... > I'd imagine he's probably fairly smart Why do you imagine that? What is the logical basis? > Calling someone an idiot/crazy... isn't a very useful thing to do, if you're interested in the prevention of war. So now we are no longer interested in having an honest assesment in case he gets offended? If you watched Russian media, he has clearly gotten worse over the last 10 years or so.
      - LAC-Tech 4y ago
        So now we are no longer interested in having an honest assesment in case he gets offended? Assuming our enemies are just insane is a cop out. It diverts a lot of attention away from how horribly unprepared the west was to deter a military invasion of Ukraine, which is something no one wants to talk about.

You see, before Putin they were drowning in dough.

by bilvar 4y ago

You see, before Putin they were drowning in dough.

palata 4y ago

But before Putin, Putin was not in charge. One could argue that he improved his own situation, yes?

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
Putin has been in charge of Russia for 20 years. In neighbouring China, CCP has produced tremendous economic growth in that timeframe. People calling him a genious should be able to point to some great success he has achieved in all this time, in any activity whatsoever, that an average person could not.
- LAC-Tech 4y ago
  In neighbouring China, CCP has produced tremendous economic growth in that timeframe. Some perspective is needed - tremendous economic growth is common when you're an incredibly poor country. China - after decades of growth - still has a lower GDP per capita than post-soviet Russia. People calling him a genious should be able to point to some great success he has achieved in all this time, in any activity whatsoever, that an average person could not. I don't see anyone calling him a genius. I'd imagine he's probably fairly smart, like most world leaders. Calling someone an idiot/crazy for starting a war isn't a very useful thing to do, if you're interested in the prevention of war.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    > Some perspective is needed Okay, how about Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary - they have all eclipsed Russia in % growth and nominal value. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=PL-RU-CZ https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?location... > I'd imagine he's probably fairly smart Why do you imagine that? What is the logical basis? > Calling someone an idiot/crazy... isn't a very useful thing to do, if you're interested in the prevention of war. So now we are no longer interested in having an honest assesment in case he gets offended? If you watched Russian media, he has clearly gotten worse over the last 10 years or so.
    - LAC-Tech 4y ago
      So now we are no longer interested in having an honest assesment in case he gets offended? Assuming our enemies are just insane is a cop out. It diverts a lot of attention away from how horribly unprepared the west was to deter a military invasion of Ukraine, which is something no one wants to talk about.