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I made this comment to a friend recently that I don't think enough people are considering that he might actually be mad enough to have spent $44B to destroy a t

I made this comment to a friend recently that I don't think enough people are considering that he might actually be mad enough to have spent $44B to destroy a toxic business.

PartiallyTyped 4y ago
> destroy a toxic business Twitter is more toxic under musk..
- bilvar 4y ago
  It's been barely a week he's at the helm and you came to that conclusion? I'm indifferent about Musk, but that's absurd.
  - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
    It doesn't come from me, it comes from people who care about brand image.
    - bilvar 4y ago
      Who are these people?
      - ekleraki 4y ago
        People like this guy https://twitter.com/LouPas/status/1588599808587345921 https://twitter.com/LouPas/status/1588599808587345921
        bilvar 4y ago
        No idea who that person is, why they're important and how this proves that Twitter became more toxic in just two weeks of Musk compared to 20 years of the previous management. Care to enlighten me?
        ekleraki 4y ago
        That person is president and COO of MMA global, huge marketing firm, given the fact that he was in a call with Elon, along with that class of people regarding brand safety; he is an important person and his comments describe the situation. He mentioned that their concerns are brand safety and moderation, and that’s why people are pulling out. For them to pull out it seems that associating with twitter harms their image, and that’s - according to them - related to moderation. As for “proof” that twitter is more toxic; > In the week leading up to Musk's acquisition, researchers said there were no more than 84 hostile tweets an hour on the platform. But from midnight on October 28 – the day Musk took ownership – to noon the next day, there were 4,778 hate-filled tweets. That accounts for more than 398 tweets an hour, about 4.7 times higher than the seven-day average leading up to that day. The potential reach for those tweets was more than 3 million, researchers found. > Researchers also said there was an increase in negative sentiment, with more than 67% of the tweets sent after Musk's takeover having a negative tone. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-twitter-caused-measurable-spike-hate-speech-study/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-twitter-caused-measur...
    - refurb 4y ago
      What brand image? A bunch of random people posting ridiculous things one massive flame war?
      - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
        See the parallel chain.
- PM_me_your_math 4y ago
  So much more toxic, 15 million people joined ...In a week.
ericd 4y ago
Spending $44B to prevent the endless terrible hot takes of the Twitterati from polarizing the world to the point where the rest of his stash becomes worthless. I like it.
- FireBeyond 4y ago
  He's doing his own fair share of polarization too. "Ukraine should just let Russia keep what they've got now, and agree to their demands and wrap this all up."
  - PM_me_your_math 4y ago
    Right? They should led the blood bath continue until we're tossing nukes at each other!
    - mcv 4y ago
      Russia should just withdraw and stop invading its neighbours.
      - ohiovr 4y ago
        Would we do the same?
        mcv 4y ago
        I would. But it's true, aggressors rarely listen to reason. They care about strength and about cost. The US didn't withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan because it was the right thing to do, but because it was too expensive and there wasn't anything to gain. Russia may also withdraw once it becomes undeniable to them that there's no winning this and it's too expensive to continue trying. There's lots of people arguing for peace talks, and I'd love for that to work, but it won't work if Putin isn't interested in peace, and by all appearances, he isn't. He's made pretty clear that he isn't. The only alternative is to make is aggression unsuccessful.
chipotle_coyote 4y ago
The hole in that theory is that by all appearances, Elon Musk really, really likes using Twitter. I don't think he wants to kill it. I think the madness is two-fold: (1) he approached this with a "pfft, I could run that business better than the bozos in charge" attitude -- it's not as if Twitter has been known for great management up to this point, right? -- but never actually came up with a plan beyond "not what they've been doing." After he initially made the offer, he spent all the time he should have been formulating business plans trying to get out of the deal instead. Then it got forced on him, and he's had to scramble. (2) Elon has millions of people who treat him as a combination of Steve Jobs, Thomas Edison, and Tony Stark, and bluntly, I think he's started believing his own press to the point where he just figures, "Why, yes, I am a super genius who can do anything, and anyone who contradicts me is clearly not worth listening to." I would be very surprised if Twitter recovers from what Elon Musk, Super Genius is doing to it; the question is whether Elon Musk is going to recover from it. The best case is that this will be his Steve Jobs Exiled From Apple moment; the worst case is that he becomes Howard Hughes.
- IMTDb 4y ago
  > The best case is that this will be his Steve Jobs Exiled From Apple moment Didn't Steve Jobs return to this company when it was bleeding money, cut 4000 employees as his first move and turned it into a cash cow ?
  - chipotle_coyote 4y ago
    Despite recent stories making this claim, no, not exactly. The 4,100 jobs that were cut in 1997 -- 2,700 full-time and the rest contract and part-time -- came while Gil Amelio was still CEO, and there's a bit of revisionism in attributing it just to Steve Jobs having been brought on as an advisor. Apple had already laid off 2,800 people in 1996 and the cuts in 1997 were widely expected by analysts. They were made with Apple's existing executive team intact and were executed in a considered, directed fashion. I do not think anyone can make a credible claim that Musk's approach so far could be described as considered and directed.
- mcv 4y ago
fortuna86 4y ago
That's a very funny spin to still make Elon look good in all this.

I made this comment to a friend recently that I don't think enough people are considering that he might actually be mad enough to have spent $44B to destroy a toxic business.

PartiallyTyped 4y ago

> destroy a toxic business Twitter is more toxic under musk..

bilvar 4y ago
It's been barely a week he's at the helm and you came to that conclusion? I'm indifferent about Musk, but that's absurd.
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  It doesn't come from me, it comes from people who care about brand image.
  - bilvar 4y ago
    Who are these people?
    - ekleraki 4y ago
      People like this guy https://twitter.com/LouPas/status/1588599808587345921 https://twitter.com/LouPas/status/1588599808587345921
      - bilvar 4y ago
        No idea who that person is, why they're important and how this proves that Twitter became more toxic in just two weeks of Musk compared to 20 years of the previous management. Care to enlighten me?
        ekleraki 4y ago
        That person is president and COO of MMA global, huge marketing firm, given the fact that he was in a call with Elon, along with that class of people regarding brand safety; he is an important person and his comments describe the situation. He mentioned that their concerns are brand safety and moderation, and that’s why people are pulling out. For them to pull out it seems that associating with twitter harms their image, and that’s - according to them - related to moderation. As for “proof” that twitter is more toxic; > In the week leading up to Musk's acquisition, researchers said there were no more than 84 hostile tweets an hour on the platform. But from midnight on October 28 – the day Musk took ownership – to noon the next day, there were 4,778 hate-filled tweets. That accounts for more than 398 tweets an hour, about 4.7 times higher than the seven-day average leading up to that day. The potential reach for those tweets was more than 3 million, researchers found. > Researchers also said there was an increase in negative sentiment, with more than 67% of the tweets sent after Musk's takeover having a negative tone. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-twitter-caused-measurable-spike-hate-speech-study/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elon-musk-twitter-caused-measur...
  - refurb 4y ago
    What brand image? A bunch of random people posting ridiculous things one massive flame war?
    - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
      See the parallel chain.
PM_me_your_math 4y ago
So much more toxic, 15 million people joined ...In a week.

ericd 4y ago

Spending $44B to prevent the endless terrible hot takes of the Twitterati from polarizing the world to the point where the rest of his stash becomes worthless. I like it.

FireBeyond 4y ago
He's doing his own fair share of polarization too. "Ukraine should just let Russia keep what they've got now, and agree to their demands and wrap this all up."
- PM_me_your_math 4y ago
  Right? They should led the blood bath continue until we're tossing nukes at each other!
  - mcv 4y ago
    Russia should just withdraw and stop invading its neighbours.
    - ohiovr 4y ago
      Would we do the same?
      - mcv 4y ago
        I would. But it's true, aggressors rarely listen to reason. They care about strength and about cost. The US didn't withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan because it was the right thing to do, but because it was too expensive and there wasn't anything to gain. Russia may also withdraw once it becomes undeniable to them that there's no winning this and it's too expensive to continue trying. There's lots of people arguing for peace talks, and I'd love for that to work, but it won't work if Putin isn't interested in peace, and by all appearances, he isn't. He's made pretty clear that he isn't. The only alternative is to make is aggression unsuccessful.

chipotle_coyote 4y ago

The hole in that theory is that by all appearances, Elon Musk really, really likes using Twitter. I don't think he wants to kill it. I think the madness is two-fold: (1) he approached this with a "pfft, I could run that business better than the bozos in charge" attitude -- it's not as if Twitter has been known for great management up to this point, right? -- but never actually came up with a plan beyond "not what they've been doing." After he initially made the offer, he spent all the time he should have been formulating business plans trying to get out of the deal instead. Then it got forced on him, and he's had to scramble. (2) Elon has millions of people who treat him as a combination of Steve Jobs, Thomas Edison, and Tony Stark, and bluntly, I think he's started believing his own press to the point where he just figures, "Why, yes, I am a super genius who can do anything, and anyone who contradicts me is clearly not worth listening to." I would be very surprised if Twitter recovers from what Elon Musk, Super Genius is doing to it; the question is whether Elon Musk is going to recover from it. The best case is that this will be his Steve Jobs Exiled From Apple moment; the worst case is that he becomes Howard Hughes.

IMTDb 4y ago
> The best case is that this will be his Steve Jobs Exiled From Apple moment Didn't Steve Jobs return to this company when it was bleeding money, cut 4000 employees as his first move and turned it into a cash cow ?
- chipotle_coyote 4y ago
  Despite recent stories making this claim, no, not exactly. The 4,100 jobs that were cut in 1997 -- 2,700 full-time and the rest contract and part-time -- came while Gil Amelio was still CEO, and there's a bit of revisionism in attributing it just to Steve Jobs having been brought on as an advisor. Apple had already laid off 2,800 people in 1996 and the cuts in 1997 were widely expected by analysts. They were made with Apple's existing executive team intact and were executed in a considered, directed fashion. I do not think anyone can make a credible claim that Musk's approach so far could be described as considered and directed.
mcv 4y ago

fortuna86 4y ago

That's a very funny spin to still make Elon look good in all this.