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I worked at a place that did this in 2009. The problem with this method is that many people DID relocate to keep their jobs. And then were layed off two months
by georgyo 4y ago
I worked at a place that did this in 2009.
The problem with this method is that many people DID relocate to keep their jobs. And then were layed off two months later.
Imagine uplifting your life for your job, and then being told you need to find a new job anyway.
- babypuncher 4y agoThe other problem is that these unpopular decisions end up driving away the people who are the most confident about being able to find a new job, leaving you with less-skilled employees who maybe feel less comfortable job hunting.
- hsuduebc2 4y agoI'm afraid that you shouldn't subduct to this tyranny in first place.
- a_techwriter_00 4y agoTo 'subduct' is to take away or subtract from.
- selimthegrim 4y agoProbably back-forming from geological sense
- mcv 4y agoI think putting this tyranny deep underground would be a great idea.
- slg 4y agoWell yes, the actual best approach for the wellbeing of employee is to combine these two moves. Give employees the choice between taking a voluntary severance package or coming back to the office. Make it known that a round of layoffs is possible depending on the number of people who take the severance. That way no one is misled into moving and the company doesn't have to be as concerned with the distribution of people who refuse to work in the office. And let's be honest, Musk isn't doing it in this order for the wellbeing of Twitter's employees.
- 14u2c 4y agoI don't think I've ever seen a company leave a question of "possible" layoffs up in the air like that. If they happen the announcement is made the same day, otherwise you have people questioning their employment for months.
- idontpost 4y ago
- epistasis 4y agoMusk came in saying he wanted to get rid of 75% of the employees: https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/10/20/musk-plans-to-cut-75-of-twitter-workforce-report-says/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/10/20/musk... Then a week later took it back: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/musk-tells-twitter-employees-doesn-022937192.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/musk-tells-twitter-employees-... I think every single person at Twitter should be contemplating their employment right now.
- samspenc 4y agoBut the problem is where do they go? Yes, Twitter laid off 3750 people, but Meta just laid off 11000, so the job market -- at least for that pool -- is saturated right now, and I'm not sure if anyone wants to voluntarily walk off their job in today's economy.
- foobiekr 4y agoDid meta lay off productive ICs or just recruiters and similar?
- KptMarchewa 4y agoCorporate america is literally millions of positive, and unemployment is very low.
- mgkimsal 4y ago
- jmathai 4y agoDoesn't seem like this is the type of decision tree Elon uses. Parent comment seems more like what I'd expect Elon to optimize for.
- shaburn 4y ago2009 was a different time and this is the easiest time to find a new job for the rest of the collapse.
- philliphaydon 4y agoIn 2020 the company I worked for did ~25% temp salary reduction so they could feel safe that they could keep everyone employed and such. 3 months after everyone did it they said "thank you thank you we are so happy we don't need to let anyone go". 2 months later they laid off ~50% of the development team and people throughout the company... At the end of the year they said no bonuses, followed by an email saying despite covid they made a profit. Companies lie to employees all the time.
- encryptluks2 4y agoEmployees need to get everything in writing as part of a contract/agreement. If a company won't put it in writing, then you should assume they are lying.
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- musicale 4y agoThey usually lie in writing as well. Since suing your employer is a career-ending move, contracts don't make much of a difference either.
- encryptluks2 4y agoTouche, no doubt they'll probably try to settle for less than the contract but it still puts you in a much better position and sets an industry standard that is much needed. Otherwise, simply standing up for yourself or asking for a written agreement will get you fired.
- formerkrogemp 4y ago> Companies lie to employees all the time. My friends and I have no loyalty to our employers at this point. Big or small, we've all been burned. Some places are just less unpleasant than others. My bar is so low that as long as no one is screaming at me or threatening my coworkers I usually call that a good day. Getting out of retail helped.
- majormajor 4y agoA more deliberate (some might say sneaky, but I'd prefer it if I was in the situation) move would be to take an extra week or two to have some of your management do some feeling out of who would be 100% opposed to remote so you could include them in the layoff list, but also don't force people to uproot just to be laid off. But at least you could avoid some of the "unregretted attrition" of people you decided to keep. (This assumes Musk isn't intentionally sequencing things to limit the "official" size of the layoff while actually wanting to cut a significantly larger percentage.)
- 1letterunixname 4y agoYes. It's never wise to cede anything to pushy jerks like that because they'll just take and take without end. The only answer they respect is "no".