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in that case it's good remote work won't be happening there. it's hard for remote workers to get organized.

fragmede 4y ago
Not especially. "Hey what's your personal email/phone number?" "Here's an invite to this private slack we've been meeting up on."
- pasquinelli 4y ago
  there's really something to be said for a group of people literally working together. for instance, before you get the ball rolling you'd like to have an idea of the level of interest and commitment of your fellow workers. your private slack will be filled with people that want a union, this gives you no idea who may not want a union at all, or, more importantly, who's on the fence. you can't make a pitch to those people on your slack, because they have better things to do with their time. but if you're all at work anyway...
fnordpiglet 4y ago
If employees managed to organize productivity and profits at every enterprise on earth remotely, you’re probably not right they can’t organize a union unless it’s in person. I’ll point out productivity declines with RTO and everyone acted like they didn’t understand why productivity declined. All I can say is I’m excited to hire the best employees at twitter and let them work the way they work best.
- pasquinelli 4y ago
  before they can organize as workers, they need to have class consciousness, and actually working with other workers helps.
  - lupire 4y ago
    Do you think maybe people, who work on computers at a computerized social communication company, have some way to communicate?
    - pasquinelli 4y ago
      yeah, we see all the time how class consciousness has developed on twitter: a thoroughly false, utterly counterproductive class consciousness. it's not about being able to communicate, it's about being able to see yourself as a member of a class, with the same difficulties as the others, for the same reason, and with the ability to change things through collective action. so communist memes on the discord doesn't cut it. just talking about things online isn't going to put anyone in the frame of mind to be willing to take a risk for anyone, and there is risk in trying to get a union started. just talking online means you never reach people that aren't sure about forming or joining a union, but that could be convinced. or to respond to a snarky quip with a snarky quip: > Do you think maybe people, who work on computers at a computerized social communication company, have some way to communicate? i guess that's why tech is overwhelmingly unionized.
      - fnordpiglet 4y ago
        Tech has been working out of offices since the beginning. Your argument that remote work prevents that beggars the actual reality of history. I will also bet you $20 most of the unionizing going on now is conducted online.
      - lupire 4y ago
        You just said that WFH is why they aren't unionized. They weren't always WFH, especially going back before 2010.

Not especially. "Hey what's your personal email/phone number?" "Here's an invite to this private slack we've been meeting up on."

pasquinelli 4y ago
there's really something to be said for a group of people literally working together. for instance, before you get the ball rolling you'd like to have an idea of the level of interest and commitment of your fellow workers. your private slack will be filled with people that want a union, this gives you no idea who may not want a union at all, or, more importantly, who's on the fence. you can't make a pitch to those people on your slack, because they have better things to do with their time. but if you're all at work anyway...

fnordpiglet 4y ago

If employees managed to organize productivity and profits at every enterprise on earth remotely, you’re probably not right they can’t organize a union unless it’s in person. I’ll point out productivity declines with RTO and everyone acted like they didn’t understand why productivity declined. All I can say is I’m excited to hire the best employees at twitter and let them work the way they work best.

pasquinelli 4y ago
before they can organize as workers, they need to have class consciousness, and actually working with other workers helps.
- lupire 4y ago
  Do you think maybe people, who work on computers at a computerized social communication company, have some way to communicate?
  - pasquinelli 4y ago
    yeah, we see all the time how class consciousness has developed on twitter: a thoroughly false, utterly counterproductive class consciousness. it's not about being able to communicate, it's about being able to see yourself as a member of a class, with the same difficulties as the others, for the same reason, and with the ability to change things through collective action. so communist memes on the discord doesn't cut it. just talking about things online isn't going to put anyone in the frame of mind to be willing to take a risk for anyone, and there is risk in trying to get a union started. just talking online means you never reach people that aren't sure about forming or joining a union, but that could be convinced. or to respond to a snarky quip with a snarky quip: > Do you think maybe people, who work on computers at a computerized social communication company, have some way to communicate? i guess that's why tech is overwhelmingly unionized.
    - fnordpiglet 4y ago
      Tech has been working out of offices since the beginning. Your argument that remote work prevents that beggars the actual reality of history. I will also bet you $20 most of the unionizing going on now is conducted online.
    - lupire 4y ago
      You just said that WFH is why they aren't unionized. They weren't always WFH, especially going back before 2010.