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I think you have it backwards. This is how you accomplish a 75% reduction while only having to lay off (and pay severance for) 50%! Musk again playing 4d chess.

warinukraine 4y ago
No, you have it backwards. If you wanted 75% reduction while only having to lay off 50%, you make the unpopular decision _first_, and then the lay offs.
- etothepii 4y ago
  Indeed, that means you only have to pay 25% while achieving a 75% reduction. Though it's hard to believe there's a game plan here. However, I have a suspicion that there is a certain type of person with low self esteem and high intelligence that will respond very well to being treated this badly.
gamblor956 4y ago
Forcing people who were told they can work fully remote in their employment agreement to work in the office is treated as a constructive dismissal in the U.S. As this constructive dismissal is clearly part of the mass layoffs, they would also be subject to the 60 days notice under the WARN Act (or 60 days pay to waive notice).
- DoneWithAllThat 4y ago
  “Is clearly” is doing a lot of work here, and I suspect Twitter’s lawyers don’t share your investment in it.
  - iudqnolq 4y ago
    Then why did Twitter's top lawyers just quit? You're being optimistic in expecting Twitter's legal team were even told about this plan in advance, considering HR wasn't.
  - gamblor956 4y ago
    One of Twitter's lawyers literally stated in a company-wide communication this morning that Twitter employees have the right to work from home, regardless of what Elon said in his email. Elon announced the policy with the intent to be able to fire employees who refused to come in to the office. However, because WFH is part of employee contracts, enforcing a WFO policy would constitute a constructive dismissal if actually enforced by Twitter. Meaning, not for cause, severance likely required under WARN Act, etc.
    - Laaas 4y ago
      For reference: https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/10/23451198/twitter-ftc-elon-musk-lawyer-changes-fine-warning https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/10/23451198/twitter-ftc-elo...
Taniwha 4y ago
4D chess? he doesn't have the self control, too busy haring off tilting at windmills to launch his damned spaceship
- PM_me_your_math 4y ago
  In the absence of Russian rockets, how do you suppose the USA launch astronauts to the iss or fly satellites? Hope can't achieve orbital velocity.
  - Taniwha 4y ago
    I think you misunderstand me - I want him to finish his big rocket and start doing wonderful stuff with it, I think his ill conceived twitter adventure is tilting at windmills that must be taking his eyes of the real prize
RavingGoat 4y ago
You confusing 4d chess with Candyland.

warinukraine 4y ago

No, you have it backwards. If you wanted 75% reduction while only having to lay off 50%, you make the unpopular decision _first_, and then the lay offs.

etothepii 4y ago
Indeed, that means you only have to pay 25% while achieving a 75% reduction. Though it's hard to believe there's a game plan here. However, I have a suspicion that there is a certain type of person with low self esteem and high intelligence that will respond very well to being treated this badly.

gamblor956 4y ago

Forcing people who were told they can work fully remote in their employment agreement to work in the office is treated as a constructive dismissal in the U.S. As this constructive dismissal is clearly part of the mass layoffs, they would also be subject to the 60 days notice under the WARN Act (or 60 days pay to waive notice).

DoneWithAllThat 4y ago
“Is clearly” is doing a lot of work here, and I suspect Twitter’s lawyers don’t share your investment in it.
- iudqnolq 4y ago
  Then why did Twitter's top lawyers just quit? You're being optimistic in expecting Twitter's legal team were even told about this plan in advance, considering HR wasn't.
- gamblor956 4y ago
  One of Twitter's lawyers literally stated in a company-wide communication this morning that Twitter employees have the right to work from home, regardless of what Elon said in his email. Elon announced the policy with the intent to be able to fire employees who refused to come in to the office. However, because WFH is part of employee contracts, enforcing a WFO policy would constitute a constructive dismissal if actually enforced by Twitter. Meaning, not for cause, severance likely required under WARN Act, etc.
  - Laaas 4y ago
    For reference: https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/10/23451198/twitter-ftc-elon-musk-lawyer-changes-fine-warning https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/10/23451198/twitter-ftc-elo...

Taniwha 4y ago

4D chess? he doesn't have the self control, too busy haring off tilting at windmills to launch his damned spaceship

PM_me_your_math 4y ago
In the absence of Russian rockets, how do you suppose the USA launch astronauts to the iss or fly satellites? Hope can't achieve orbital velocity.
- Taniwha 4y ago
  I think you misunderstand me - I want him to finish his big rocket and start doing wonderful stuff with it, I think his ill conceived twitter adventure is tilting at windmills that must be taking his eyes of the real prize

RavingGoat 4y ago

You confusing 4d chess with Candyland.