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I have to admit if I was an executive and I watched one of those "day in the life of" tiktoks from twitter employees that show them spending maybe 20% of their

I have to admit if I was an executive and I watched one of those "day in the life of" tiktoks from twitter employees that show them spending maybe 20% of their day doing work and the other 80% enjoying company amenities I might be considering tightening things up as well.

adwn 4y ago
That video was recorded while being at the office. If anything, it's evidence against the supposed effectiveness of forbidding remote work.
- boredtofears 4y ago
  Right. I mean, bringing back everyone to the office would just be a part of the tightening, which is quite obviously happening with Musk's reign.
- the_doctah 4y ago
  Not every office is a daycare for Gen Z complete with wine on tap. SV workers are spoiled.
kevingadd 4y ago
'20% of the day doing work and 80% enjoying company amenities' is ridiculous hyperbole. even if a hypothetical employee is doing that, putting them in the office clearly isn't enough to fix it since they supposedly put a tiktok video up saying 'i don't do my job' and they weren't fired
- boredtofears 4y ago
  It's not hyperbole, unless whoever was recording was being hyperbolic. It's not exactly hard to find the videos I'm talking about.
  - kweingar 4y ago
    If we were watching the same videos, they showed themselves getting lunch, getting coffee, going to the gym, and hanging out on the roof. None of these videos suggested that these activities totaled anywhere close to 6 hours in a day. Maybe we're watching different videos though.
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Phelinofist 4y ago
Link to video for anyone who didn't see it yet (like me): https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1585395267552960512 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1585395267552960512
JakeTheAndroid 4y ago
Wait, so you have an employee that can get all their work done using 20% of their working hours and then spend the rest of their day ensuring they don't burn out and you want to become adversarial to that employee? Because clearly they are getting stuff done if they can post that video and not get fired. Otherwise, you have a low performer slacking off which is its own, completely separate issue from the video itself. It's like that quote from The Office where Michael says Jim is a lazy worker because it takes Jim 20 minutes to complete a project that would take Michael hours to complete. Seems like you're saying you want your least efficient employees and can't be bothered to understand the working habits of your most efficient employees. Or maybe, just maybe, using time as a sole metric isn't the best way to evaluate employee effectiveness or efficiency.
- boredtofears 4y ago
  You're missing several other options: B) no one is paying that close attention to their performance in the first place or the metrics for performance themselves are setup in such a way that can be gamified and are therefore meaningless. C) there really isn't enough work to justify a FTE for it. My hunch is that its a combination of these two. I've worked long enough to know that the mean time for work completion (assuming C is not the predominant factor) is more than 20% of your work week.
  - JakeTheAndroid 4y ago
    I am not missing those options at all. It's just that the video is not the issue nor the way time can be spent at the company. If your metrics for evaluating performance is wrong that should be addressed before becoming adversarial to your employees based on a flawed perception. And if there isn't enough work to justify a FTE, then again your metrics are bad. The forecast was not accurate enough. And the only way to know if that's true or not is to fix the formula, do the math again, and figure out the truth. In both scenarios the employee isn't necessarily the problem, or even a problem at all. And if we take a step back and evaluate the source material, it's a TikTok video. It's meant to be content. Do we even know if the employee is really only working 20% of the time? We aren't getting a 16 hour live stream here, it's short form content. The truth of the matter is heavily obscured. It just seems like a bad idea to me to base you're business decisions around a TikTok video, especially when it's one that is adversarial to your employees. Instead, spend the time to understand the reality. Like we might find that the employee is actually working 90% of their workday. And then suddenly you're making decisions that never need to be made in the first place. > I've worked long enough to know that the mean time for work completion (assuming C is not the predominant factor) is more than 20% of your work week. Depends heavily on function. Plenty of roles are somewhat peaks and valleys of backlogged work. There might be times where some employees really can get their work done using 20% of their day, but then at a different stage they would need to use way more than 20%.
tomjakubowski 4y ago
Why would you assume that a video posted to social media is at all representative of someone's work day? The actual work is usually really dull.

adwn 4y ago

That video was recorded while being at the office. If anything, it's evidence against the supposed effectiveness of forbidding remote work.

boredtofears 4y ago
Right. I mean, bringing back everyone to the office would just be a part of the tightening, which is quite obviously happening with Musk's reign.
the_doctah 4y ago
Not every office is a daycare for Gen Z complete with wine on tap. SV workers are spoiled.

kevingadd 4y ago

'20% of the day doing work and 80% enjoying company amenities' is ridiculous hyperbole. even if a hypothetical employee is doing that, putting them in the office clearly isn't enough to fix it since they supposedly put a tiktok video up saying 'i don't do my job' and they weren't fired

boredtofears 4y ago
It's not hyperbole, unless whoever was recording was being hyperbolic. It's not exactly hard to find the videos I'm talking about.
- kweingar 4y ago
  If we were watching the same videos, they showed themselves getting lunch, getting coffee, going to the gym, and hanging out on the roof. None of these videos suggested that these activities totaled anywhere close to 6 hours in a day. Maybe we're watching different videos though.

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Phelinofist 4y ago

Link to video for anyone who didn't see it yet (like me): https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1585395267552960512 https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1585395267552960512

JakeTheAndroid 4y ago

Wait, so you have an employee that can get all their work done using 20% of their working hours and then spend the rest of their day ensuring they don't burn out and you want to become adversarial to that employee? Because clearly they are getting stuff done if they can post that video and not get fired. Otherwise, you have a low performer slacking off which is its own, completely separate issue from the video itself. It's like that quote from The Office where Michael says Jim is a lazy worker because it takes Jim 20 minutes to complete a project that would take Michael hours to complete. Seems like you're saying you want your least efficient employees and can't be bothered to understand the working habits of your most efficient employees. Or maybe, just maybe, using time as a sole metric isn't the best way to evaluate employee effectiveness or efficiency.

boredtofears 4y ago
You're missing several other options: B) no one is paying that close attention to their performance in the first place or the metrics for performance themselves are setup in such a way that can be gamified and are therefore meaningless. C) there really isn't enough work to justify a FTE for it. My hunch is that its a combination of these two. I've worked long enough to know that the mean time for work completion (assuming C is not the predominant factor) is more than 20% of your work week.
- JakeTheAndroid 4y ago
  I am not missing those options at all. It's just that the video is not the issue nor the way time can be spent at the company. If your metrics for evaluating performance is wrong that should be addressed before becoming adversarial to your employees based on a flawed perception. And if there isn't enough work to justify a FTE, then again your metrics are bad. The forecast was not accurate enough. And the only way to know if that's true or not is to fix the formula, do the math again, and figure out the truth. In both scenarios the employee isn't necessarily the problem, or even a problem at all. And if we take a step back and evaluate the source material, it's a TikTok video. It's meant to be content. Do we even know if the employee is really only working 20% of the time? We aren't getting a 16 hour live stream here, it's short form content. The truth of the matter is heavily obscured. It just seems like a bad idea to me to base you're business decisions around a TikTok video, especially when it's one that is adversarial to your employees. Instead, spend the time to understand the reality. Like we might find that the employee is actually working 90% of their workday. And then suddenly you're making decisions that never need to be made in the first place. > I've worked long enough to know that the mean time for work completion (assuming C is not the predominant factor) is more than 20% of your work week. Depends heavily on function. Plenty of roles are somewhat peaks and valleys of backlogged work. There might be times where some employees really can get their work done using 20% of their day, but then at a different stage they would need to use way more than 20%.

tomjakubowski 4y ago

Why would you assume that a video posted to social media is at all representative of someone's work day? The actual work is usually really dull.