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> I don't see you campaigning for liberation of women from the non-existent far-right conservatives in power in France. That's because your FUD has no real foun

> I don't see you campaigning for liberation of women from the non-existent far-right conservatives in power in France. That's because your FUD has no real foundation. Unfortunately, this tactic works, or it wouldn't be used so often. I’m not French lmao, I don’t care what the French are doing. It’s not my job to decide what’s right for them. > So much deception and lies. This is par for the course with the Democrat party, unfortunately. Ok > I don't know how anyone could support a late-term abortion after learning how the operation is actually performed! Who is supporting this? Are you implying that I’m supporting this? That sounds like some of that good old FUD you were talking about. > France only allows abortions up to 14 weeks unless doctors certify the mother's life is a risk. Graham's bill similarly "offers exceptions for rape, incest, and the protection of the life of a mother during pregnancy. The bill also prohibits the prosecution of women who seek abortions." Are France and the US suddenly the same country or something? What France does is irrelevant.

PathOfEclipse 4y ago
Here's an obvious idea. One way to measure the efficacy of a law is to compare it to the laws of other similar countries. If almost every country in Europe restrictions abortions by 15 weeks, maybe it should inspire some reflection as to why that may be the case. If you don't think that's relevant, then, well, you're really just being dishonest because you know it's relevant. And let's not pretend the abortionists think otherwise. When Ireland had banned abortions, activists sent ships there to give abortion services in international waters. What happens in the rest of the world affects everyone indirectly. > Who is supporting this? Are you implying that I’m supporting this? That sounds like some of that good old FUD you were talking about. You implied lots of people supported it with this very statement: "was certainly on the mind of all the people who voted against the Republican party this election". So, no. Nothing I said was FUD at all. Sorry! You lost that one.
- nozzlegear 4y ago
  > You implied lots of people supported it with this very statement: "was certainly on the mind of all the people who voted against the Republican party this election". Ah. It was already clear that you weren’t arguing in good faith, but this attempt at twisting my words seals it. At the end of the day, it’s clear from the results of the election that American women and citizens in general have rejected these abortion bans, “limits” and restrictions on their personal freedoms. That is made especially clear in the states that had specific referendums on anti-abortion amendments like Kentucky where they failed overwhelmingly. Americans do not want Republicans placing restrictions on abortion, no matter what legally irrelevant European countries do or have done. I will not be replying further, have a good day.
  - PathOfEclipse 4y ago
    You: you aren't arguing in good faith, and you are twisting my words! You in the next sentence: what you said is 100% correct. I did imply that people don't support limits on late-term abortion, and, in fact, the outcome of the midterms proves my implication! I seriously wonder what was going through your head when you typed that up. If that's the quality of response you have to offer, then, yes, you should stop replying!
- kthejoker2 4y ago
  What's the policy in those countries for pregnancies due to rape or incest? Welfare of the mother? Viability of the child? Birth control? What's the punishment for getting an "illegal" abortion? If you want to quibble over the frothy middle ground of abortion like we did for the last 50 years, have at it. Many, many actual politicians and candidates floated some very extreme ideas about reproductive freedom. If you were out there pushing back on everyone saying "life begins at conception" or "death penalty for women who get abortions" then we can talk.

PathOfEclipse 4y ago

Here's an obvious idea. One way to measure the efficacy of a law is to compare it to the laws of other similar countries. If almost every country in Europe restrictions abortions by 15 weeks, maybe it should inspire some reflection as to why that may be the case. If you don't think that's relevant, then, well, you're really just being dishonest because you know it's relevant. And let's not pretend the abortionists think otherwise. When Ireland had banned abortions, activists sent ships there to give abortion services in international waters. What happens in the rest of the world affects everyone indirectly. > Who is supporting this? Are you implying that I’m supporting this? That sounds like some of that good old FUD you were talking about. You implied lots of people supported it with this very statement: "was certainly on the mind of all the people who voted against the Republican party this election". So, no. Nothing I said was FUD at all. Sorry! You lost that one.

nozzlegear 4y ago
> You implied lots of people supported it with this very statement: "was certainly on the mind of all the people who voted against the Republican party this election". Ah. It was already clear that you weren’t arguing in good faith, but this attempt at twisting my words seals it. At the end of the day, it’s clear from the results of the election that American women and citizens in general have rejected these abortion bans, “limits” and restrictions on their personal freedoms. That is made especially clear in the states that had specific referendums on anti-abortion amendments like Kentucky where they failed overwhelmingly. Americans do not want Republicans placing restrictions on abortion, no matter what legally irrelevant European countries do or have done. I will not be replying further, have a good day.
- PathOfEclipse 4y ago
  You: you aren't arguing in good faith, and you are twisting my words! You in the next sentence: what you said is 100% correct. I did imply that people don't support limits on late-term abortion, and, in fact, the outcome of the midterms proves my implication! I seriously wonder what was going through your head when you typed that up. If that's the quality of response you have to offer, then, yes, you should stop replying!
kthejoker2 4y ago
What's the policy in those countries for pregnancies due to rape or incest? Welfare of the mother? Viability of the child? Birth control? What's the punishment for getting an "illegal" abortion? If you want to quibble over the frothy middle ground of abortion like we did for the last 50 years, have at it. Many, many actual politicians and candidates floated some very extreme ideas about reproductive freedom. If you were out there pushing back on everyone saying "life begins at conception" or "death penalty for women who get abortions" then we can talk.