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> "Complaining about the current state of things is largely complaining that men are slowly losing their long standing advantage and privileged position." This

> "Complaining about the current state of things is largely complaining that men are slowly losing their long standing advantage and privileged position." This may be a popular talking point, but there's more to it than that. Mainly men can't assume the role of caretaker and gain the same level of respect and protection that housewives get; at least that's the perception, but while it may be exaggerated, there seems to be some truth in this. Also, the fact that men and women just tend to look for different things in a partner. I agree that some of this "displacement" OP mentioned is exactly what you're talking about, but there's more to it than that. In addition to men not feeling comfortable being caretakers, women tend to prefer men that make more. Men don't care, or can even prefer women that make less than them. I don't agree with OP and think he's been a bit reductionist, btw. It seems that people always jump to say we've just evened the playing field, but it's never going to be even if men and women want different things, and behave drastically differently.

spywaregorilla 4y ago
It'll change. The nuclear family is a recent sociological invention. Hardly a human standard.
- Jerrrry 4y ago
  >recent heavy lifting there. Tribal polyamorous families were good when we gathered and hunted. With the rise of agriculture and population density, came familial norms that were better accommodating to all the members of the society, namely women, who would fight over partner selection, to enforce monogamy, which is better....for the children, it turns out.
  - spywaregorilla 4y ago
    The nuclear family is a post agriculture invention. The norm for farming families, which were the majority of families for the past thousand or so years, was to have your whole family in one house, with grandparents doing most of the child watching. The nuclear family only became normative in the 50's in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_family https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_family
    - Jerrrry 4y ago
      Nuclear, in this exact context, I had meant monogamous, specifically not multiple women per man. Grandparents being included is almost moot, but culturally were very important, everywhere/when. Before agriculture, specialization / modern civilization, and the _medical revolution_, of course you were going to have multiple women - most died in childbirth, and the ones that lived were too dependent to stand up on jealousy grounds.

spywaregorilla 4y ago

It'll change. The nuclear family is a recent sociological invention. Hardly a human standard.

Jerrrry 4y ago
>recent heavy lifting there. Tribal polyamorous families were good when we gathered and hunted. With the rise of agriculture and population density, came familial norms that were better accommodating to all the members of the society, namely women, who would fight over partner selection, to enforce monogamy, which is better....for the children, it turns out.
- spywaregorilla 4y ago
  The nuclear family is a post agriculture invention. The norm for farming families, which were the majority of families for the past thousand or so years, was to have your whole family in one house, with grandparents doing most of the child watching. The nuclear family only became normative in the 50's in the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_family https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_family
  - Jerrrry 4y ago
    Nuclear, in this exact context, I had meant monogamous, specifically not multiple women per man. Grandparents being included is almost moot, but culturally were very important, everywhere/when. Before agriculture, specialization / modern civilization, and the _medical revolution_, of course you were going to have multiple women - most died in childbirth, and the ones that lived were too dependent to stand up on jealousy grounds.