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I think most complaints are coming from customers who don't want to have to consider the wellbeing and livelihood of underpaid employees, who require charity to

by kahrl 4y ago

I think most complaints are coming from customers who don't want to have to consider the wellbeing and livelihood of underpaid employees, who require charity to survive. In most every transaction these days, customers are guilted into providing wages for essentially unpaid employees, and I'm sick of the mind games.

FalconSensei 4y ago
> don't want to have to consider the wellbeing and livelihood of underpaid employees For me, I want employees to be paid fairly by their employer, which would calculate how much an item/service should cost, instead of shifting this obligation to me. Examples: going to a new coffee shop. In MOST places (in Vancouver at least), they'll just call you to the counter to pick your order. But some will get it to you. But you only discover that after having paid. So how to tip? Ordering food for delivery. Giving X% of the order doesn't do, because you might have a cheaper order from a restaurant that's further away, or an expensive one 2 blocks from your place. And you don't know yet if the delivery person is going to be walking and take 30 mins to arrive, or bike. Or if they have a bunch of other deliveries on the way and the food will arrive cold. So... I would like very much to just be told: it costs X.
alistairSH 4y ago
100% agreement. I'd prefer to pay the true cost of my coffee, including reasonable living wage and benefits for the barista. I neither need nor desire the additional mental load of worrying about tips. And I don't love the implicit argument being made in the article... the wealthy should subsidize coffee consumption for the less-wealthy. If you can't afford the full cost of a carry-out latte, perhaps make your own coffee at home? Or, alternatively, maybe Ferrari should slash prices, ask the wealthy to donate money to make up the difference, and we can all drive super-cars?

by kahrl 4y ago

FalconSensei 4y ago

> don't want to have to consider the wellbeing and livelihood of underpaid employees For me, I want employees to be paid fairly by their employer, which would calculate how much an item/service should cost, instead of shifting this obligation to me. Examples: going to a new coffee shop. In MOST places (in Vancouver at least), they'll just call you to the counter to pick your order. But some will get it to you. But you only discover that after having paid. So how to tip? Ordering food for delivery. Giving X% of the order doesn't do, because you might have a cheaper order from a restaurant that's further away, or an expensive one 2 blocks from your place. And you don't know yet if the delivery person is going to be walking and take 30 mins to arrive, or bike. Or if they have a bunch of other deliveries on the way and the food will arrive cold. So... I would like very much to just be told: it costs X.

alistairSH 4y ago

100% agreement. I'd prefer to pay the true cost of my coffee, including reasonable living wage and benefits for the barista. I neither need nor desire the additional mental load of worrying about tips. And I don't love the implicit argument being made in the article... the wealthy should subsidize coffee consumption for the less-wealthy. If you can't afford the full cost of a carry-out latte, perhaps make your own coffee at home? Or, alternatively, maybe Ferrari should slash prices, ask the wealthy to donate money to make up the difference, and we can all drive super-cars?