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A few in this thread dance around, avoiding the truth because they are afraid of being labeled a sexist. Few skirted the root causes and macro effects, but here

A few in this thread dance around, avoiding the truth because they are afraid of being labeled a sexist. Few skirted the root causes and macro effects, but here it is, plainly: men are being displaced from their roles in society, and replaced with woman, to the detriment of everyone. Men and women have evolved over millennia to be (traditionally) different; play different roles in the raising and caring of offspring, partaking in society, partner selection, and responsibilities. India is facing the same problems as all developing countries, but it is more drastic, given their population explosion, politics, culture, and prevalence of automation. Men and women are simply different; having evolved different preferences for social order; modernity is threatening this evolved order, faster than the average man and woman can realize, and the ramifications are simply more drastic on a communal and macroeconomic level than anyone (especially those rallying "equality and equity" for women) could had imagined. Men overwhelmingly value looks; a woman's health is nearly apparent in their attractiveness, and good health usually correlates highly with healthy offspring. Attractiveness is certainly partly genetic, but in general, woman can simply be pretty, and find a partner - because the things that men value (good looks, wide hips, symmetrical face) are nearly effortless at an individual level. Women overwhelmingly value social status, as men who are higher on the socio-economic totem pole make it far easier to rear children. More money, easier taking care of children, simple as. This has a far more profound effect though, and is where modernity rears its ugly head. Because of the above preferences, women are naturally _hypergamous_ - they will date across and up, but not down. Men are not - and will gladly take a poorer woman, provided they look healthy. This aligns with both partner selection and duties; woman care for children, men care for women. Due to the nature of wealth accumulation and inheritance, men have to perform much more to "stand out" and to find a partner - compared to the effort required for women of just having to been born with decent genetics. This is where modern economics ( capitalism, accumulation of capital, automation, displacement) come into play, displacing men, exacerbating the issues - as these are very recent inventions, relatively. These are an evolved (un)conscious bias, an instinct, labeled a "preference", that is found in every society we have created. Men must provide, women must nurture. It is as simple as that: we still have our hunter(men) - gatherer(women) traits, but we are no longer in that world. The modern world is drastically different, but we haven't changed (innately) much, and this disparity is causing social issues in every developed country. Every one! The 20% of men get their pick of 80% of women. Women work now, and if they do not demonstrate hypergamy, men do not value a woman's material contributions the same way - most find it subtly emasculating. This is just even more competition for the "traditional man's role" of being the provider. There is no inverse - men are not being selected for their looks by successful women, because that is simply not the innate biological imperative we have evolved over thousands of generations emerging. Traditions had value, now they may be an impeding force in a brave, new world. In short: women's suffrage, the modern workplace, and the widespread hypergamy have displaced men. This may all just sound like Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate talking points, which make you wonder why they have been _massively_ popular as of late, especially with young men in the 16-25 range. But it isn't just men, woman are also noticing these disparities in role selection: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyR3jMVUgZadX9dHjuKFuMQ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyR3jMVUgZadX9dHjuKFuMQ Thanks for coming to my ted talk. downvoting without replying is for cowards. inb4 "sexist" and my paragraphs disappear into contrast oblivion. the truth is obviously going to be in contrast to many's current way of thinking, lest we wouldn't be having a problem. I don't think these problems can be solved, by the way. Women of course deserve to be equal - but men simply cannot have and rear kids the same way. No matter what you tell yourself, men and women compliment each other for a functional society, and we have disrupted that. the unfortunate truth, The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in “advanced” countries.

seydor 4y ago
Stereotypes are never useful, societies adapt to their needs. Our current societies are not going to die because they have decided to cut down on marriages or lots of children. We re smart enough to think for ourselves without consulting the books written by the Elders
- Jerrrry 4y ago
  >Stereotypes are never useful, ironic >societies adapt to their needs. we have so far. but there are biological impositions that may not be able to be overcome. >Our current societies are not going to die because they have decided to cut down on marriages or lots of children. They may not die, but unless we get robots caring for the elders soon, our continue expectation of population and economic growth is surely _unsustainable_ >We re smart enough to think for ourselves without consulting the books written by the Elders Are we smart enough to prevent population/economic/ecologic collapse? Unless we are talking test tube babies and society conditioning....anything less than Brave New World simply won't work. When half of women aged 30 are single and without a child, we didn't even need to damage our DNA a la Children of Men - just our society outpacing the human condition may be enough to ussure in an exponential degradation in quality of life. men dont have babies. they aren't equal to women. unless that changes, and people accept it quickly, then men and women will continue to have crucial roles in society and the upbringing of the next generation - our continuity.
spywaregorilla 4y ago
Hypergamy in women is driven at the sociological level by the gender differences themselves. That is, the more of an economic advantage men have over women, the more women tend to want to marry up. As the playing field levels, more empowered women are more willing to date lower class men. Which... makes sense. People take the easiest route available to them to improve their lives. Complaining about the current state of things is largely complaining that men are slowly losing their long standing advantage and privileged position. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797612441004 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797612441004 > No matter what you tell yourself, men and women compliment each other for a functional society, and we have disrupted that. > The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. Society is different therefore society is a disaster. Got it.

seydor 4y ago

Stereotypes are never useful, societies adapt to their needs. Our current societies are not going to die because they have decided to cut down on marriages or lots of children. We re smart enough to think for ourselves without consulting the books written by the Elders

Jerrrry 4y ago
>Stereotypes are never useful, ironic >societies adapt to their needs. we have so far. but there are biological impositions that may not be able to be overcome. >Our current societies are not going to die because they have decided to cut down on marriages or lots of children. They may not die, but unless we get robots caring for the elders soon, our continue expectation of population and economic growth is surely _unsustainable_ >We re smart enough to think for ourselves without consulting the books written by the Elders Are we smart enough to prevent population/economic/ecologic collapse? Unless we are talking test tube babies and society conditioning....anything less than Brave New World simply won't work. When half of women aged 30 are single and without a child, we didn't even need to damage our DNA a la Children of Men - just our society outpacing the human condition may be enough to ussure in an exponential degradation in quality of life. men dont have babies. they aren't equal to women. unless that changes, and people accept it quickly, then men and women will continue to have crucial roles in society and the upbringing of the next generation - our continuity.

spywaregorilla 4y ago

Hypergamy in women is driven at the sociological level by the gender differences themselves. That is, the more of an economic advantage men have over women, the more women tend to want to marry up. As the playing field levels, more empowered women are more willing to date lower class men. Which... makes sense. People take the easiest route available to them to improve their lives. Complaining about the current state of things is largely complaining that men are slowly losing their long standing advantage and privileged position. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797612441004 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797612441004 > No matter what you tell yourself, men and women compliment each other for a functional society, and we have disrupted that. > The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. Society is different therefore society is a disaster. Got it.