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But the cost of carrying deadweight by shaming is not going to work forever. I have been shaming myself and clicking lowest % shown in the screen but this past

But the cost of carrying deadweight by shaming is not going to work forever. I have been shaming myself and clicking lowest % shown in the screen but this past weekend I finally said no and clicked on 0%. Was not a restaurant just to pick up something pre ordered forget where.

sergiotapia 4y ago
I think it's a US thing. I came from Bolivia and never once tipped anywhere outside of restaurants. No, I won't tip you for packaging 4 cookies in a box at Crumbl Cookies lol.
- waynesonfire 4y ago
  The intent is not to reward a task. It's a nod of appreciation that there is even an employee that's willing to show up to work and service you. You give them a dollar. At least that's how I look at it. I'm not a fan either just articulating my attitude towards it.
  - sergiotapia 4y ago
    lol i thought my buying cookies was the goal of the business.
  - Firmwarrior 4y ago
    Yeah, fair enough.. I don't like it though. That's why I work at FAANG for a high salary instead of randomly fixing open source bugs and jingling my Patreon jar at people
  - dcchambers 4y ago
    That's not at all how tipping was intended though. Tipping started as a way to express thanks for someone going above and beyond in their duties. It's devolved into a way for employers to pay less and shift the cost directly to customers via guilt at the cash register.
    - FalconSensei 4y ago
      AFAIK, but it could be wrong, it was basically racism. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/opinion/minimum-wage-racism.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/opinion/minimum-wage-raci...
  - _aavaa_ 4y ago
    How about the business they work for show their “appreciation” and pay them
  - aeternum 4y ago
    If the business can't get employees to show up based upon the advertised prices then it should shut down. Come inside and get a boba for $7! Then you go inside and they're like please give us $9 plus tax and if you actually want boba in it that's extra.
  - FalconSensei 4y ago
    > employee that's willing to show up to work and service you So you tip the cashier at the supermarket? They bag your groceries for you
    - no_wizard 4y ago
      I've noticed quite recently in the last 4-5 years that this isn't true anymore. More and more grocery stores I shop at expect you to bag your own groceries. Its been a wild shift in labor there to me. When I was growing up I worked at a big box retail grocery and I don't remember ever having customers bag their own items unless it was self checkout (which was barely a thing and truly seemed relegated to simple checkouts). Now the only place I don't have to actively bag my own things is Costco, which recently started heavily pushing their own self checkout (which, due to how items are sized there to be in bulk, makes things slow and awkward for the general public IMO). This luxury is dying.
      - lotsofpulp 4y ago
        I would expect more of that as the population pyramid skews older and older and supply of lower price labor decreases.
      - gs17 4y ago
        I even remeber being scolded sometimes years ago for bagging my own stuff when there wasn't a second worker to do it. At some point in COVID, Trader Joe's got extra strict about it, even as I pointed out it meant more people touching my groceries "for my safety". Now they really don't seem to care. > Now the only place I don't have to actively bag my own things is Costco, which recently started heavily pushing their own self checkout (which, due to how items are sized there to be in bulk, makes things slow and awkward for the general public IMO). At my local Costco, the "self-checkout" is really more like 6 cashier lines manned by one cashier. We have to wait for the employee to do everything and it's really bizarre to me, and either type of checkout just leaves things sitting in your cart in the end unless you manually box/bag them after. People seem to prefer it to the normal lanes, though. Is yours more like the self checkout at a normal grocer?
  - alistairSH 4y ago
    I showed up and wrote some software. Should my customers tip me too? If tipping actually resulted in better service, maybe there'd be a reason to keep it. But, certainly anecdotally, it doesn't. Service in the US hasn't been any better for me than service in nations that don't tip, or tip much less.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    When I see a construction crew fixing the road, I stop and shove a dollar in each of their pockets, and then I continue on my way. Luckily, my employer’s clients also give me a few dollars each time I see them, so I do not have to to the bank that often to get change.
- lghh 4y ago
  Not just packaging, it also tips the baker.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    How is a customer supposed to know that?
    - lghh 4y ago
      Why would a customer automatically assume the opposite?
      - asdff 4y ago
        I assume a tip jar sitting at the front of the house goes to the front of the house staff, honestly. Especially at bakeries, the baker comes in at midnight and is gone by 4am, there's no sense you are interacting with the baker nor any guarantees that the front of house staff will leave a pile of money behind for the bakers at midnight to distribute amongst themselves.
  - xtracto 4y ago
    Why should the Baker expect to receive alimony?
joenot443 4y ago
Of the dozens and dozens of times I've smiled and happily tapped 0% or No Tip, I've never had the cashier say a thing. I did four years of minimum wage work at McDonalds. The only time I can remember getting tipped was when I jumped out the window after a $50 the guy had dropped. He let me keep the $10 change. If people running a drive-thru for 12h without a break don't deserve tips, I don't see why the people pouring coffee in a trendy cafe like the author describes would.
- FalconSensei 4y ago
  Exactly. Nothing makes sense in the end when you think about it.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    Paying the number a seller asks you to pay and you agree to pay makes sense.
    - FalconSensei 4y ago
      Nothing about "tipping" makes sense
- rhino369 4y ago
  >If people running a drive-thru for 12h without a break don't deserve tips, I don't see why the people pouring coffee in a trendy cafe like the author describes would. Exactly why I don't tip at coffee shops or to-go places. For waiters and delivery guys, that's part of the deal. But I guiltlessly hit 0 everywhere else. I'm only not even sure who gets the tips at some places. Like I go pick up a to-go order and I tip 10 bucks. Who is getting it? The person who packed it up? The person who handed it to me? The boss? I have no clue.

sergiotapia 4y ago

I think it's a US thing. I came from Bolivia and never once tipped anywhere outside of restaurants. No, I won't tip you for packaging 4 cookies in a box at Crumbl Cookies lol.

waynesonfire 4y ago
The intent is not to reward a task. It's a nod of appreciation that there is even an employee that's willing to show up to work and service you. You give them a dollar. At least that's how I look at it. I'm not a fan either just articulating my attitude towards it.
- sergiotapia 4y ago
  lol i thought my buying cookies was the goal of the business.
- Firmwarrior 4y ago
  Yeah, fair enough.. I don't like it though. That's why I work at FAANG for a high salary instead of randomly fixing open source bugs and jingling my Patreon jar at people
- dcchambers 4y ago
  That's not at all how tipping was intended though. Tipping started as a way to express thanks for someone going above and beyond in their duties. It's devolved into a way for employers to pay less and shift the cost directly to customers via guilt at the cash register.
  - FalconSensei 4y ago
    AFAIK, but it could be wrong, it was basically racism. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/opinion/minimum-wage-racism.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/opinion/minimum-wage-raci...
- _aavaa_ 4y ago
  How about the business they work for show their “appreciation” and pay them
- aeternum 4y ago
  If the business can't get employees to show up based upon the advertised prices then it should shut down. Come inside and get a boba for $7! Then you go inside and they're like please give us $9 plus tax and if you actually want boba in it that's extra.
- FalconSensei 4y ago
  > employee that's willing to show up to work and service you So you tip the cashier at the supermarket? They bag your groceries for you
  - no_wizard 4y ago
    I've noticed quite recently in the last 4-5 years that this isn't true anymore. More and more grocery stores I shop at expect you to bag your own groceries. Its been a wild shift in labor there to me. When I was growing up I worked at a big box retail grocery and I don't remember ever having customers bag their own items unless it was self checkout (which was barely a thing and truly seemed relegated to simple checkouts). Now the only place I don't have to actively bag my own things is Costco, which recently started heavily pushing their own self checkout (which, due to how items are sized there to be in bulk, makes things slow and awkward for the general public IMO). This luxury is dying.
    - lotsofpulp 4y ago
      I would expect more of that as the population pyramid skews older and older and supply of lower price labor decreases.
    - gs17 4y ago
      I even remeber being scolded sometimes years ago for bagging my own stuff when there wasn't a second worker to do it. At some point in COVID, Trader Joe's got extra strict about it, even as I pointed out it meant more people touching my groceries "for my safety". Now they really don't seem to care. > Now the only place I don't have to actively bag my own things is Costco, which recently started heavily pushing their own self checkout (which, due to how items are sized there to be in bulk, makes things slow and awkward for the general public IMO). At my local Costco, the "self-checkout" is really more like 6 cashier lines manned by one cashier. We have to wait for the employee to do everything and it's really bizarre to me, and either type of checkout just leaves things sitting in your cart in the end unless you manually box/bag them after. People seem to prefer it to the normal lanes, though. Is yours more like the self checkout at a normal grocer?
- alistairSH 4y ago
  I showed up and wrote some software. Should my customers tip me too? If tipping actually resulted in better service, maybe there'd be a reason to keep it. But, certainly anecdotally, it doesn't. Service in the US hasn't been any better for me than service in nations that don't tip, or tip much less.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  When I see a construction crew fixing the road, I stop and shove a dollar in each of their pockets, and then I continue on my way. Luckily, my employer’s clients also give me a few dollars each time I see them, so I do not have to to the bank that often to get change.
lghh 4y ago
Not just packaging, it also tips the baker.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  How is a customer supposed to know that?
  - lghh 4y ago
    Why would a customer automatically assume the opposite?
    - asdff 4y ago
      I assume a tip jar sitting at the front of the house goes to the front of the house staff, honestly. Especially at bakeries, the baker comes in at midnight and is gone by 4am, there's no sense you are interacting with the baker nor any guarantees that the front of house staff will leave a pile of money behind for the bakers at midnight to distribute amongst themselves.
- xtracto 4y ago
  Why should the Baker expect to receive alimony?

joenot443 4y ago

Of the dozens and dozens of times I've smiled and happily tapped 0% or No Tip, I've never had the cashier say a thing. I did four years of minimum wage work at McDonalds. The only time I can remember getting tipped was when I jumped out the window after a $50 the guy had dropped. He let me keep the $10 change. If people running a drive-thru for 12h without a break don't deserve tips, I don't see why the people pouring coffee in a trendy cafe like the author describes would.

FalconSensei 4y ago
Exactly. Nothing makes sense in the end when you think about it.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  Paying the number a seller asks you to pay and you agree to pay makes sense.
  - FalconSensei 4y ago
    Nothing about "tipping" makes sense
rhino369 4y ago
>If people running a drive-thru for 12h without a break don't deserve tips, I don't see why the people pouring coffee in a trendy cafe like the author describes would. Exactly why I don't tip at coffee shops or to-go places. For waiters and delivery guys, that's part of the deal. But I guiltlessly hit 0 everywhere else. I'm only not even sure who gets the tips at some places. Like I go pick up a to-go order and I tip 10 bucks. Who is getting it? The person who packed it up? The person who handed it to me? The boss? I have no clue.