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Surprised reading "immunity debt" after seeing this https://twitter.com/unbiasedscipod/status/1588915934991126529 https://twitter.com/unbiasedscipod/status/158

by miduil 4y ago

Surprised reading "immunity debt" after seeing this https://twitter.com/unbiasedscipod/status/1588915934991126529 https://twitter.com/unbiasedscipod/status/158891593499112652... https://nitter.net/unbiasedscipod/status/1588915934991126529 https://nitter.net/unbiasedscipod/status/1588915934991126529

bheadmaster 4y ago
May be relevant: https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1588886664612818945 https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1588886664612818945 https://nitter.net/apsmunro/status/1588886664612818945 https://nitter.net/apsmunro/status/1588886664612818945
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  The citation linked is flagged as "editorial", and the abstract says "may be". Anyone got a link to the full pub? These are scenarios where I really want an expert to summarize the current state of what's known rather than trying to figure it out from a PubMed search, especially when there seem to be competing opinions.
  - bheadmaster 4y ago
    This is exactly why we need a more in-depth approach when explaining things to the general population. The whole chain of deductions should be presented and easily verifiable, otherwise it's quite easy for a layman like me to get into a situation where I see two opposite but equally-plausible-sounding claims made by "experts", but no way to figure out who's right, because nobody is presenting any proof, just relying on their own "I'm an expert" authority. I'm tired of everyone being an "expert". A true expert should have no problem presenting proof to their claims.
- candiddevmike 4y ago
  People still use Twitter?
  - grepfru_it 4y ago
    Too soon
mrits 4y ago
I know next to nothing about this area. However, I have an immunologist next to me that says it actually is a thing and a phrased used in literature. I hate the internet sometimes.
legitster 4y ago
Ummm... this doesn't sound like they are describing the same thing. No one is arguing that our immune systems have "shut down". The argument is that the immune system hasn't been keeping up on exposures.
peteradio 4y ago
bitshiftfaced 4y ago
She's talking about the strength of an individual's immune system. She doesn't seem to be talking about herd immunity or how the pandemic has potentially changed population dynamics. For example, "debt" could be referring to the fact that many people might've already gotten [insert infection name here] over the last couple of years, but they did not, and now there's an increased number of people who don't have immunity to it compared to a world where there not been a pandemic. The fact that this was ignored almost seems misleading given that she claims to be an immunologist.

by miduil 4y ago

bheadmaster 4y ago

May be relevant: https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1588886664612818945 https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1588886664612818945 https://nitter.net/apsmunro/status/1588886664612818945 https://nitter.net/apsmunro/status/1588886664612818945

ceejayoz 4y ago
The citation linked is flagged as "editorial", and the abstract says "may be". Anyone got a link to the full pub? These are scenarios where I really want an expert to summarize the current state of what's known rather than trying to figure it out from a PubMed search, especially when there seem to be competing opinions.
- bheadmaster 4y ago
  This is exactly why we need a more in-depth approach when explaining things to the general population. The whole chain of deductions should be presented and easily verifiable, otherwise it's quite easy for a layman like me to get into a situation where I see two opposite but equally-plausible-sounding claims made by "experts", but no way to figure out who's right, because nobody is presenting any proof, just relying on their own "I'm an expert" authority. I'm tired of everyone being an "expert". A true expert should have no problem presenting proof to their claims.
candiddevmike 4y ago
People still use Twitter?
- grepfru_it 4y ago
  Too soon

mrits 4y ago

I know next to nothing about this area. However, I have an immunologist next to me that says it actually is a thing and a phrased used in literature. I hate the internet sometimes.

legitster 4y ago

Ummm... this doesn't sound like they are describing the same thing. No one is arguing that our immune systems have "shut down". The argument is that the immune system hasn't been keeping up on exposures.

peteradio 4y ago

bitshiftfaced 4y ago

She's talking about the strength of an individual's immune system. She doesn't seem to be talking about herd immunity or how the pandemic has potentially changed population dynamics. For example, "debt" could be referring to the fact that many people might've already gotten [insert infection name here] over the last couple of years, but they did not, and now there's an increased number of people who don't have immunity to it compared to a world where there not been a pandemic. The fact that this was ignored almost seems misleading given that she claims to be an immunologist.