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I am not a "sleeper account". I posted a very calm and charitable take on my view, in it explaining that I understand OP's view. Nowhere did I smear the languag

I am not a "sleeper account". I posted a very calm and charitable take on my view, in it explaining that I understand OP's view. Nowhere did I smear the language, or troll, or do anything of the sort. You on the other hand immediately label me as a sleeper account and a troll, for only mentioning a few links to a webpage. Although I can understand being defensive by default if you get trolled a lot, I don't think this is a good way to win people over. It certainly is off-putting to me. ----- But anyway, content related: did Xe/Xena/Christine lie in their blog posts at that time? I've read other blog posts by them and those generally seem to be level headed, well written blog posts -- not spam or anything. Next to checking out the Vlang's website, those blog posts were my only exposure to the language at the time -- as you can imagine for a new language. ----- >> ...and then got blocked by the V team. > This appears to be more trolling, and just distortions or lies, as a setup to unload more spam links and misinformation. Is the image in the tweet in the last post not correct? That Xe got blocked by @v_language? Or is that not the official Twitter account? You have to remember, I'm just an outside observer -- and all I see is a person testing the claims a language does, finding they are mostly unsubstantiated, and getting blocked in the process.

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- suprfnk 4y ago
  Haha, alright man. Still with the alt/sleeper account. Cool. I'm just some guy from the Netherlands trying to get a calm conversation going. I don't feel like any of my posts have been in any way inflammatory. You seem way too defensive to have any useful conversation with, so I won't bother any more. Good luck with vlang!
  - 10241024 4y ago
    To give you some background on why your original post might've been considered inflammatory - the author of the blog you shared has openly said "V is something that should be ignored until it dies into obscurity": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27442724 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27442724 I wouldn't call the author an objective reviewer of the language. Also even in this thread there were people spreading lies about the language: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33544205 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33544205 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33544576 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33544576 who have a history of spreading lies about V that goes back years: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20765490 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20765490 My advice is - check out the language and make up your own mind. In the end this is a tool, not a football club.
    - suprfnk 4y ago
      Hey, thanks for the civil response! > the author of the blog you shared has openly said "V is something that should be ignored until it dies into obscurity": I didn't know this -- that's very harsh, and I don't agree at all. I see that that comment was made after the reviewing blog posts, however. I can get that the relation between V and them has soured. > Also even in this thread there were people spreading lies about the language: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33544205 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33544205 That's the one I initially replied to, sharing my view as an outside observer. It would probably serve V well to handle such popular blog posts in some way. Like put up a blog post refuting the points in the article, and then link to that or something. Something to undo the damage to the language's image by those posts, and (re-)inspire confidence. The other way is probably to be "so good they can't ignore you". That would be great, always good to have more great tools. > My advice is - check out the language and make up your own mind. In the end this is a tool, not a football club. I completely agree -- and people should try it for themselves. I guess my point is mostly that if the community's exposure to a language is those blog posts, they won't be inclined to try it. And if those blog posts don't get handled in a graceful and confidence inspiring way, the community won't "update" its view of the language.
      - 10241024 4y ago
        By the way usually when a hit piece about V starts circulating on HN, the author of V takes the time to refute the claims in the comments section: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31793554 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31793554 (Ctrl+F amedvednikov) But I agree 100% - having a blog post that refutes all the claims in one place would be very useful.
        suprfnk 4y ago
        Ah, that's good to know! Will check it out.
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gompertz 4y ago
- super_flanker 4y ago
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    > ...successfully pushed a potential new user away... 1) You are "projecting", what is your purpose and agenda. That is your intent, as an obvious troll (who masquerades as a Rust advocate), that probably has multiple accounts or working in a concerted effort from an organization of a competing language. 2) Your agenda is very clear. It is mainly attacks, flames, and unloading of spam on any posts or threads which mention or are concerning Vlang. 3) Your troll account should have been banned a while ago. All of this is very clear by your disruptive flame war comment history, for all to see. > Vlang warriors... So PufPufPuf and jonathanstrange are also "Vlang warriors", for just casually mentioning and saying something positive about Vlang on a thread about it and multiple languages? What actually is happening, is the mere mention of Vlang can cause various rivals and competitors to engage with troll accounts to spam the name of their competing language (in this case Zig) and unload massive amounts of misinformation, propaganda, lies, and negative disruption on threads. Notice how it is never initiated in the opposite direction. It is nearly always advocates of specific rival languages doing this, though they kind of and sloppily try to hide their affiliation, but often slip up as apparently they can't help themselves. Their activity consists of attacking or bashing Vlang (to include spamming the same negative propaganda links), when it is positively mentioned. This is very clear from HN's post history. To include, this spamming or trolling activity by various evangelists or paid advocates of a certain language has gone over the top on the HN site, and is now on the radar of moderators (who have mentioning it).
    - dang 4y ago
      Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN. Regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are, it's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. You did it a whole bunch in this thread, unfortunately. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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suprfnk 4y ago
Haha, alright man. Still with the alt/sleeper account. Cool. I'm just some guy from the Netherlands trying to get a calm conversation going. I don't feel like any of my posts have been in any way inflammatory. You seem way too defensive to have any useful conversation with, so I won't bother any more. Good luck with vlang!
- 10241024 4y ago
  To give you some background on why your original post might've been considered inflammatory - the author of the blog you shared has openly said "V is something that should be ignored until it dies into obscurity": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27442724 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27442724 I wouldn't call the author an objective reviewer of the language. Also even in this thread there were people spreading lies about the language: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33544205 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33544205 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33544576 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33544576 who have a history of spreading lies about V that goes back years: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20765490 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20765490 My advice is - check out the language and make up your own mind. In the end this is a tool, not a football club.
  - suprfnk 4y ago
    Hey, thanks for the civil response! > the author of the blog you shared has openly said "V is something that should be ignored until it dies into obscurity": I didn't know this -- that's very harsh, and I don't agree at all. I see that that comment was made after the reviewing blog posts, however. I can get that the relation between V and them has soured. > Also even in this thread there were people spreading lies about the language: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33544205 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33544205 That's the one I initially replied to, sharing my view as an outside observer. It would probably serve V well to handle such popular blog posts in some way. Like put up a blog post refuting the points in the article, and then link to that or something. Something to undo the damage to the language's image by those posts, and (re-)inspire confidence. The other way is probably to be "so good they can't ignore you". That would be great, always good to have more great tools. > My advice is - check out the language and make up your own mind. In the end this is a tool, not a football club. I completely agree -- and people should try it for themselves. I guess my point is mostly that if the community's exposure to a language is those blog posts, they won't be inclined to try it. And if those blog posts don't get handled in a graceful and confidence inspiring way, the community won't "update" its view of the language.
    - 10241024 4y ago
      By the way usually when a hit piece about V starts circulating on HN, the author of V takes the time to refute the claims in the comments section: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31793554 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31793554 (Ctrl+F amedvednikov) But I agree 100% - having a blog post that refutes all the claims in one place would be very useful.
      - suprfnk 4y ago
        Ah, that's good to know! Will check it out.
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gompertz 4y ago

super_flanker 4y ago
- Tozen 4y ago
  > ...successfully pushed a potential new user away... 1) You are "projecting", what is your purpose and agenda. That is your intent, as an obvious troll (who masquerades as a Rust advocate), that probably has multiple accounts or working in a concerted effort from an organization of a competing language. 2) Your agenda is very clear. It is mainly attacks, flames, and unloading of spam on any posts or threads which mention or are concerning Vlang. 3) Your troll account should have been banned a while ago. All of this is very clear by your disruptive flame war comment history, for all to see. > Vlang warriors... So PufPufPuf and jonathanstrange are also "Vlang warriors", for just casually mentioning and saying something positive about Vlang on a thread about it and multiple languages? What actually is happening, is the mere mention of Vlang can cause various rivals and competitors to engage with troll accounts to spam the name of their competing language (in this case Zig) and unload massive amounts of misinformation, propaganda, lies, and negative disruption on threads. Notice how it is never initiated in the opposite direction. It is nearly always advocates of specific rival languages doing this, though they kind of and sloppily try to hide their affiliation, but often slip up as apparently they can't help themselves. Their activity consists of attacking or bashing Vlang (to include spamming the same negative propaganda links), when it is positively mentioned. This is very clear from HN's post history. To include, this spamming or trolling activity by various evangelists or paid advocates of a certain language has gone over the top on the HN site, and is now on the radar of moderators (who have mentioning it).
  - dang 4y ago
    Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN. Regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are, it's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. You did it a whole bunch in this thread, unfortunately. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.