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Maybe we should quit making studies that start on broad assumptions. Not making assumptions is the entire point of science, after all. Not once in the article

Maybe we should quit making studies that start on broad assumptions. Not making assumptions is the entire point of science, after all. Not once in the article do they consider that some men simply don't want to get married. It's absurd. Here's the worst part of the article: > Without jobs that can be lost or wives and children who could suffer, young, unmarried, unemployed men are poised to cause or be recruited to cause social and political trouble, Basu said. On the other hand, she said, “young women getting more educated and marrying later may yet turn out to be the harbingers of the modernization and social change in the country that seems to be otherwise slow in coming. So men who aren't getting married are a threat to society, and women who aren't getting married are the "harbingers of...social change". How pathetic.

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vintermann 4y ago
> Not once in the article do they consider that some men simply don't want to get married. I think it's a reasonable assumption that if men used to get married/desire marriage, but now don't, then something must have changed. "The hearts of men don't change in any age", as they say. Even if the changes in outcomes come as a result of changes in wants, people don't suddenly want something different for no reason.
- thomastjeffery 4y ago
  > “Even today, marriages in India are largely arranged by families, even though young men and women do increasingly have veto power, and follow rigid customs about marrying within one’s own language, group, religion and caste,” Basu said. > Marriage is also nearly universal in India, Basu said; in NFHS data from 2015-16, only 1% of women aged 35-39 and 2% of men aged 40-44 had never been married. Furthermore, women are expected to marry men of higher socioeconomic status – or in a pinch, equal. Look at the rest of the world. This is an aberration. It's painfully obvious that there are men in India who do not want to get married who are getting married anyway. How could it possibly be a surprise to see fewer men getting married? That's the most obvious prediction I can think to make!
  - vintermann 4y ago
    Well, that's a thing that's changed then? I was arguing against the idea that men as a group simply woke up one day and decided to be different than they used to.
duxup 4y ago
It would be nice if they backed that up more. However, the article does seem to try to address the connection between being not married and issues of employment and education. I suspect the article is just a shallow bit of what might be actual information.
- thomastjeffery 4y ago
  > However, the article does seem to try to address the connection between being not married and issues of employment and education. Only because it assumed that connection in the first place. Ignoring data is effectively the same as poisoning data. If I held a cup under a waterfall, and tried to measure how much water I was pouring into the cup from a pitcher...
  - duxup 4y ago
    What data are they ignoring?
    - thomastjeffery 4y ago
      Men who do not want to get married in the first place.

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vintermann 4y ago

> Not once in the article do they consider that some men simply don't want to get married. I think it's a reasonable assumption that if men used to get married/desire marriage, but now don't, then something must have changed. "The hearts of men don't change in any age", as they say. Even if the changes in outcomes come as a result of changes in wants, people don't suddenly want something different for no reason.

thomastjeffery 4y ago
> “Even today, marriages in India are largely arranged by families, even though young men and women do increasingly have veto power, and follow rigid customs about marrying within one’s own language, group, religion and caste,” Basu said. > Marriage is also nearly universal in India, Basu said; in NFHS data from 2015-16, only 1% of women aged 35-39 and 2% of men aged 40-44 had never been married. Furthermore, women are expected to marry men of higher socioeconomic status – or in a pinch, equal. Look at the rest of the world. This is an aberration. It's painfully obvious that there are men in India who do not want to get married who are getting married anyway. How could it possibly be a surprise to see fewer men getting married? That's the most obvious prediction I can think to make!
- vintermann 4y ago
  Well, that's a thing that's changed then? I was arguing against the idea that men as a group simply woke up one day and decided to be different than they used to.

duxup 4y ago

It would be nice if they backed that up more. However, the article does seem to try to address the connection between being not married and issues of employment and education. I suspect the article is just a shallow bit of what might be actual information.

thomastjeffery 4y ago
> However, the article does seem to try to address the connection between being not married and issues of employment and education. Only because it assumed that connection in the first place. Ignoring data is effectively the same as poisoning data. If I held a cup under a waterfall, and tried to measure how much water I was pouring into the cup from a pitcher...
- duxup 4y ago
  What data are they ignoring?
  - thomastjeffery 4y ago
    Men who do not want to get married in the first place.