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How about the fact that 99.999% of all services and products ever created were created by people working in person together? How about the fact that Apple, Goo

How about the fact that 99.999% of all services and products ever created were created by people working in person together? How about the fact that Apple, Google, Microsoft have all recalled employees back to the office? I'm sure those companies are pretty data driven.

somebehemoth 4y ago
>> better for companies. It leads to better products, more creativity, and more engaged employees. > all services and products ever created were created by people working in person This is your opinion of “better” followed by an unsupported claim of where all products and services were ever created. This is not evidence.
- sn0w_crash 4y ago
  You honestly think the claim about Microsoft and Google products developed pre-2020 is unsupported? I don’t believe you really think that. You are aware these companies and their product teams were all working in office forever right?
  - dzhiurgis 4y ago
    Did software quality dropped significantly in last 2 years? Even if remote software engineering is ubiquitous, we don’t have enough data yet. That said most war-time-ceo and startup books understandably praise work from office. I’ve worked from home for 5 years and I don’t want to go back, but I recognise it’s easier to push devs to be more productive while at office.
    - senttoschool 4y ago
      Did software quality dropped significantly in last 2 years? Yes, to me. As an Apple user, Apple software quality has dropped significantly in the last 2 years. I’ve worked from home for 5 years and I don’t want to go back, but I recognise it’s easier to push devs to be more productive while at office. You're probably one of the few disciplined enough to be allowed to permanently work from home, before covid. After covid, everyone got to work from home, without proving that they could and should. In other words, you're biased.

somebehemoth 4y ago

>> better for companies. It leads to better products, more creativity, and more engaged employees. > all services and products ever created were created by people working in person This is your opinion of “better” followed by an unsupported claim of where all products and services were ever created. This is not evidence.

sn0w_crash 4y ago
You honestly think the claim about Microsoft and Google products developed pre-2020 is unsupported? I don’t believe you really think that. You are aware these companies and their product teams were all working in office forever right?
- dzhiurgis 4y ago
  Did software quality dropped significantly in last 2 years? Even if remote software engineering is ubiquitous, we don’t have enough data yet. That said most war-time-ceo and startup books understandably praise work from office. I’ve worked from home for 5 years and I don’t want to go back, but I recognise it’s easier to push devs to be more productive while at office.
  - senttoschool 4y ago
    Did software quality dropped significantly in last 2 years? Yes, to me. As an Apple user, Apple software quality has dropped significantly in the last 2 years. I’ve worked from home for 5 years and I don’t want to go back, but I recognise it’s easier to push devs to be more productive while at office. You're probably one of the few disciplined enough to be allowed to permanently work from home, before covid. After covid, everyone got to work from home, without proving that they could and should. In other words, you're biased.