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This is a great example of why you should use iOS. Most android devices do not receive security updates long enough to get this update. Since the author effect

This is a great example of why you should use iOS. Most android devices do not receive security updates long enough to get this update. Since the author effectively tells you how to do it, all you need to do is find a pixel 4 or older and you’re golden.

ApolloFortyNine 4y ago
Who knows how many bugs live in iOS as well. Security through obscurity (iOS is closed source) isn't usually considered that great a strategy. Besides the whole "can't install user software" issue.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  The number of bugs is not the issue. The issue is that apple supports their devices longer than all android vendors. Bugs are inevitable and so the difference is support duration and speed.
  - Gasp0de 4y ago
    Really, how long?
- acdha 4y ago
  The number of long-running bugs which have been found in popular open source projects suggests that “many eyes make all bugs shallow” should be remembered as an amusing bit of 90s trivia like Swatch Internet Time. What seems to matter more is how many auditors are actually digging in and how aggressively secure coding practices are applied. It certainly doesn’t seem like there’s a big difference between the two in terms of security but Android has more people using old software because their manufacturer didn’t want to ship an update.
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    If something isn't being actively attacked, penetrated, scoured over, delved into, fuzzed, and poked at by MULTIPLE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD, you should assume it has several completely bypassing security vulnerabilities. “many eyes make all bugs shallow” should have always been seen as horse shit. It has the same level of evidence as other linuxy "truisms" like "worse is better" and "everything as text or a file is best" Heartbleed and shellshock sat right in public eye for quite some time, but it turns out nobody was watching.
sschueller 4y ago
It's also a great example why not to use iOS. If you find a hardware flaw in an iPhone and it can't be patched then literally everyone is effected. Even worse is if Apple decides you can no longer use feature/app, it's gone. Fragmentation has it's issues but centralisation is way worse.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  Everything you described is also true of android. Fact remains that even flagship android vendors support updates for much less time than apple.
- username_my1 4y ago
  except apple takes bug fixes and security 100x more than google does. I remember the Android nightmares of Camera1 Camera2 CameraX APIs, then bluetooth all buggy implementation with years passing by and no decent solution in place. I don't remember a single big bug by iOS
  - sschueller 4y ago
    From what I have heard, they may fix thing quickly but their bug bounty program is not liked and they skimp on paying higher payouts. Much more lukrative to sell your exploit on the black market.
    - marcinzm 4y ago
      This blog post doesn't make Google sound much better in that regard.
  - gausswho 4y ago
    You've invented a quantitative measurement (100x) for something that is qualitative. This unravels discussion and turns away those who may otherwise support your assertion.
sgt 4y ago
Besides my opinion that iOS is just simply better built and more secure, the biggest difference for me comes down to the UI. Maybe my mind is just wired more for iOS, but subjectively I would say that it's by far the superior user interface. Snappy as hell too.
- vardump 4y ago
  I've used both for about as much for quite some years, both OS phones are always with me. I'd say iPhones used to be snappier maybe 5+ years ago, but nowadays I grab an Android phone if I want something to be done fast, say perform a web search. Two exceptions: 1) Android phones are stuttery disasters for some time after booting up. No big deal, since I rarely power my phones off. 2) iPhone is usually faster to snap a photo than Android. For anything security related, like banking etc. I use iPhone. Of course your mileage may vary.
  - sgt 4y ago
    Love that. Mileage may vary. How long have we computer people said this?
IceWreck 4y ago
Bugs happen in iOS too. > all you need to do is find a pixel 4 or older and you’re golden Its worse, it works on most Android phones without the latest security patch, not just Google phones.

ApolloFortyNine 4y ago

Who knows how many bugs live in iOS as well. Security through obscurity (iOS is closed source) isn't usually considered that great a strategy. Besides the whole "can't install user software" issue.

endisneigh 4y ago
The number of bugs is not the issue. The issue is that apple supports their devices longer than all android vendors. Bugs are inevitable and so the difference is support duration and speed.
- Gasp0de 4y ago
  Really, how long?
acdha 4y ago
The number of long-running bugs which have been found in popular open source projects suggests that “many eyes make all bugs shallow” should be remembered as an amusing bit of 90s trivia like Swatch Internet Time. What seems to matter more is how many auditors are actually digging in and how aggressively secure coding practices are applied. It certainly doesn’t seem like there’s a big difference between the two in terms of security but Android has more people using old software because their manufacturer didn’t want to ship an update.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  If something isn't being actively attacked, penetrated, scoured over, delved into, fuzzed, and poked at by MULTIPLE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD, you should assume it has several completely bypassing security vulnerabilities. “many eyes make all bugs shallow” should have always been seen as horse shit. It has the same level of evidence as other linuxy "truisms" like "worse is better" and "everything as text or a file is best" Heartbleed and shellshock sat right in public eye for quite some time, but it turns out nobody was watching.

sschueller 4y ago

It's also a great example why not to use iOS. If you find a hardware flaw in an iPhone and it can't be patched then literally everyone is effected. Even worse is if Apple decides you can no longer use feature/app, it's gone. Fragmentation has it's issues but centralisation is way worse.

endisneigh 4y ago
Everything you described is also true of android. Fact remains that even flagship android vendors support updates for much less time than apple.
username_my1 4y ago
except apple takes bug fixes and security 100x more than google does. I remember the Android nightmares of Camera1 Camera2 CameraX APIs, then bluetooth all buggy implementation with years passing by and no decent solution in place. I don't remember a single big bug by iOS
- sschueller 4y ago
  From what I have heard, they may fix thing quickly but their bug bounty program is not liked and they skimp on paying higher payouts. Much more lukrative to sell your exploit on the black market.
  - marcinzm 4y ago
    This blog post doesn't make Google sound much better in that regard.
- gausswho 4y ago
  You've invented a quantitative measurement (100x) for something that is qualitative. This unravels discussion and turns away those who may otherwise support your assertion.

sgt 4y ago

Besides my opinion that iOS is just simply better built and more secure, the biggest difference for me comes down to the UI. Maybe my mind is just wired more for iOS, but subjectively I would say that it's by far the superior user interface. Snappy as hell too.

vardump 4y ago
I've used both for about as much for quite some years, both OS phones are always with me. I'd say iPhones used to be snappier maybe 5+ years ago, but nowadays I grab an Android phone if I want something to be done fast, say perform a web search. Two exceptions: 1) Android phones are stuttery disasters for some time after booting up. No big deal, since I rarely power my phones off. 2) iPhone is usually faster to snap a photo than Android. For anything security related, like banking etc. I use iPhone. Of course your mileage may vary.
- sgt 4y ago
  Love that. Mileage may vary. How long have we computer people said this?

IceWreck 4y ago

Bugs happen in iOS too. > all you need to do is find a pixel 4 or older and you’re golden Its worse, it works on most Android phones without the latest security patch, not just Google phones.