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Citing some evidence to back your theory might make your claim more convincing.

encryptluks2 4y ago
Agreed, but if the evidence is from some research company notorious for promoting in-office culture will it really matter? I'm sure evidence equally exists for in-office and remote work, it really is just a preference. Personally.. I think employees that are independent in making their own decisions produce better work and are more passionate about the company they work for. I don't think Musk is looking for passion, he is looking for drones that will ignore his childish antics and don't question the ethics of what they are being asked.
sn0w_crash 4y ago
Umm… how about the entirety of technological progress and human civilization as evidence? You are aware that we worked together in offices until 2 years ago, right? Heard of the iPhone? Or the internet? What about life saving medical equipment? These things were all developed by people working together in person. To pretend there’s no evidence to back up a pro-office claim is to pretend reality didn’t exist until March 2020. And I say this as someone who works from home.
- freilanzer 4y ago
  This is the furthest thing from evidence.
  - sn0w_crash 4y ago
    So all of recorded human history and Reality != evidence Ok
    - senttoschool 4y ago
      They're looking for evidence such as employee surveys - rather than evidence such as Apple executives looking at productivity data and then recalling employees back to office.
    - freilanzer 4y ago
      I could just as well ask how much more would have been achieved if people had been treated better, including working from home when possible.
senttoschool 4y ago
How about the fact that 99.999% of all services and products ever created were created by people working in person together? How about the fact that Apple, Google, Microsoft have all recalled employees back to the office? I'm sure those companies are pretty data driven.
- somebehemoth 4y ago
  >> better for companies. It leads to better products, more creativity, and more engaged employees. > all services and products ever created were created by people working in person This is your opinion of “better” followed by an unsupported claim of where all products and services were ever created. This is not evidence.
  - sn0w_crash 4y ago
    You honestly think the claim about Microsoft and Google products developed pre-2020 is unsupported? I don’t believe you really think that. You are aware these companies and their product teams were all working in office forever right?
    - dzhiurgis 4y ago
      Did software quality dropped significantly in last 2 years? Even if remote software engineering is ubiquitous, we don’t have enough data yet. That said most war-time-ceo and startup books understandably praise work from office. I’ve worked from home for 5 years and I don’t want to go back, but I recognise it’s easier to push devs to be more productive while at office.
      - senttoschool 4y ago
        Did software quality dropped significantly in last 2 years? Yes, to me. As an Apple user, Apple software quality has dropped significantly in the last 2 years. I’ve worked from home for 5 years and I don’t want to go back, but I recognise it’s easier to push devs to be more productive while at office. You're probably one of the few disciplined enough to be allowed to permanently work from home, before covid. After covid, everyone got to work from home, without proving that they could and should. In other words, you're biased.

Agreed, but if the evidence is from some research company notorious for promoting in-office culture will it really matter? I'm sure evidence equally exists for in-office and remote work, it really is just a preference. Personally.. I think employees that are independent in making their own decisions produce better work and are more passionate about the company they work for. I don't think Musk is looking for passion, he is looking for drones that will ignore his childish antics and don't question the ethics of what they are being asked.

sn0w_crash 4y ago

Umm… how about the entirety of technological progress and human civilization as evidence? You are aware that we worked together in offices until 2 years ago, right? Heard of the iPhone? Or the internet? What about life saving medical equipment? These things were all developed by people working together in person. To pretend there’s no evidence to back up a pro-office claim is to pretend reality didn’t exist until March 2020. And I say this as someone who works from home.

freilanzer 4y ago
This is the furthest thing from evidence.
- sn0w_crash 4y ago
  So all of recorded human history and Reality != evidence Ok
  - senttoschool 4y ago
    They're looking for evidence such as employee surveys - rather than evidence such as Apple executives looking at productivity data and then recalling employees back to office.
  - freilanzer 4y ago
    I could just as well ask how much more would have been achieved if people had been treated better, including working from home when possible.

senttoschool 4y ago

How about the fact that 99.999% of all services and products ever created were created by people working in person together? How about the fact that Apple, Google, Microsoft have all recalled employees back to the office? I'm sure those companies are pretty data driven.

somebehemoth 4y ago
>> better for companies. It leads to better products, more creativity, and more engaged employees. > all services and products ever created were created by people working in person This is your opinion of “better” followed by an unsupported claim of where all products and services were ever created. This is not evidence.
- sn0w_crash 4y ago
  You honestly think the claim about Microsoft and Google products developed pre-2020 is unsupported? I don’t believe you really think that. You are aware these companies and their product teams were all working in office forever right?
  - dzhiurgis 4y ago
    Did software quality dropped significantly in last 2 years? Even if remote software engineering is ubiquitous, we don’t have enough data yet. That said most war-time-ceo and startup books understandably praise work from office. I’ve worked from home for 5 years and I don’t want to go back, but I recognise it’s easier to push devs to be more productive while at office.
    - senttoschool 4y ago
      Did software quality dropped significantly in last 2 years? Yes, to me. As an Apple user, Apple software quality has dropped significantly in the last 2 years. I’ve worked from home for 5 years and I don’t want to go back, but I recognise it’s easier to push devs to be more productive while at office. You're probably one of the few disciplined enough to be allowed to permanently work from home, before covid. After covid, everyone got to work from home, without proving that they could and should. In other words, you're biased.