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You do realize Einstein was always studying? Sergei Brin worked like a maniac. Struggle breeds success. Not everyone successfully picks the right thing to strug

You do realize Einstein was always studying? Sergei Brin worked like a maniac. Struggle breeds success. Not everyone successfully picks the right thing to struggle on.

qikInNdOutReply 4y ago
Struggle & synthetic stress prevents large scale strategy pivots though. You need to be able to let the subconcious do its thing, for which it needs peace, quiet and freedom from stress. Difficult to do the step back otherwise. The stress returns, when things then get traction, so i guess the truth is - alternation between stress free "creative" periods and stressy "realization" periods? No idea what the optimal sinus is.
what-the-grump 4y ago
Africa should be delivering ground breaking work all the time right? This idea that x person worked a little harder than the rest and therefore he is successful is laughable. There is a range, say 5% or 15% or even 50% ‘worked more than the rest’, ok so what? Do you think you are within 5% or 50% of working x hours more per day before you become the next tech billionaire? You are not. It’s not that easy. Oh and then there are the struggling artists of the renaissance which all came from the illiterate peasantry struggling to feed themselves. And the media common folk of today, who come up because they struggle therefore they act, and everyone we see in TV was a nobody before their first big role and just worked really hard right? Or the government families which somehow if you are the son of a governor your chance of being in government and a high ranking official far outweighs any other factor. Or if your parents are rich chances of you being rich far outweigh anything else… But no, alas I’ll let everyone know we gotta push just a little harder and we’ll all be rich. Struggle breeds stress, which intern breeds health issues. If we didn’t struggle the world would not end, innovation would not stop, WALL-E is just a cartoon.
- Aleksdev 4y ago
  My last sentence clearly states not everyone picks the right struggle. Also not all countries have equal opportunities the world is not fair. I simply was referring to the 2 examples the original poster was referring to.
happymellon 4y ago
None of those things were products of their work environment. Einstein was able to always study and Sergei Brin was able to work like a maniac precisely because they were able to remove the restrictions of paid technical labour that drains your brain before you even get to the interesting stuff.
- selfhoster11 4y ago
  Exactly. Even if I want to do something in my own time that's similar to my work after hours, I have no personal energy to devote to that unless I'm rested or very desperate. It's rare that I actually boot up an IDE on my personal machine.
  - Aleksdev 4y ago
    Einstein was working and studying in his free time. Just because you don’t have that energy doesn’t mean it’s a companies fault.
    - selfhoster11 4y ago
      Absolutely yes, it is. Or if not their "fault", then at least it is the direct cause for me not having any more energy afterwards. You don't expect a mine worker to come back home and do a bunch of manual labour, why would you expect a mental worker to do the same?
      - Aleksdev 4y ago
        You must be joking. You can choose to leave the company and do whatever you want with your free time. I know craftsmen who come home after work and work on their own craft. Programming is no different. Other developers code in their free time. If your low energy maybe you need to fix that part?
zerr 4y ago
They key difference is on what do you work - somebody else's dream or your dream?
namaria 4y ago
>freed from societies expectations of sweat, tears and busy work Struggle implies unsuccessful efforts. These men were not bound to busy work, crying for help. They had comfortable settings and could focus on what mattered to them. OP wants just that. Arguing that "get out of comfort zone, grind, struggle" is the way to advance society is disingenuous at best.

You do realize Einstein was always studying? Sergei Brin worked like a maniac. Struggle breeds success. Not everyone successfully picks the right thing to struggle on.

qikInNdOutReply 4y ago

Struggle & synthetic stress prevents large scale strategy pivots though. You need to be able to let the subconcious do its thing, for which it needs peace, quiet and freedom from stress. Difficult to do the step back otherwise. The stress returns, when things then get traction, so i guess the truth is - alternation between stress free "creative" periods and stressy "realization" periods? No idea what the optimal sinus is.

what-the-grump 4y ago

Africa should be delivering ground breaking work all the time right? This idea that x person worked a little harder than the rest and therefore he is successful is laughable. There is a range, say 5% or 15% or even 50% ‘worked more than the rest’, ok so what? Do you think you are within 5% or 50% of working x hours more per day before you become the next tech billionaire? You are not. It’s not that easy. Oh and then there are the struggling artists of the renaissance which all came from the illiterate peasantry struggling to feed themselves. And the media common folk of today, who come up because they struggle therefore they act, and everyone we see in TV was a nobody before their first big role and just worked really hard right? Or the government families which somehow if you are the son of a governor your chance of being in government and a high ranking official far outweighs any other factor. Or if your parents are rich chances of you being rich far outweigh anything else… But no, alas I’ll let everyone know we gotta push just a little harder and we’ll all be rich. Struggle breeds stress, which intern breeds health issues. If we didn’t struggle the world would not end, innovation would not stop, WALL-E is just a cartoon.

Aleksdev 4y ago
My last sentence clearly states not everyone picks the right struggle. Also not all countries have equal opportunities the world is not fair. I simply was referring to the 2 examples the original poster was referring to.

happymellon 4y ago

None of those things were products of their work environment. Einstein was able to always study and Sergei Brin was able to work like a maniac precisely because they were able to remove the restrictions of paid technical labour that drains your brain before you even get to the interesting stuff.

selfhoster11 4y ago
Exactly. Even if I want to do something in my own time that's similar to my work after hours, I have no personal energy to devote to that unless I'm rested or very desperate. It's rare that I actually boot up an IDE on my personal machine.
- Aleksdev 4y ago
  Einstein was working and studying in his free time. Just because you don’t have that energy doesn’t mean it’s a companies fault.
  - selfhoster11 4y ago
    Absolutely yes, it is. Or if not their "fault", then at least it is the direct cause for me not having any more energy afterwards. You don't expect a mine worker to come back home and do a bunch of manual labour, why would you expect a mental worker to do the same?
    - Aleksdev 4y ago
      You must be joking. You can choose to leave the company and do whatever you want with your free time. I know craftsmen who come home after work and work on their own craft. Programming is no different. Other developers code in their free time. If your low energy maybe you need to fix that part?

zerr 4y ago

They key difference is on what do you work - somebody else's dream or your dream?

namaria 4y ago

>freed from societies expectations of sweat, tears and busy work Struggle implies unsuccessful efforts. These men were not bound to busy work, crying for help. They had comfortable settings and could focus on what mattered to them. OP wants just that. Arguing that "get out of comfort zone, grind, struggle" is the way to advance society is disingenuous at best.