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V promised a lot of stuff as ready but has undelivered most of them and people lost trust. If V was truthful like Zig, it would be able to create a foundation.

V promised a lot of stuff as ready but has undelivered most of them and people lost trust. If V was truthful like Zig, it would be able to create a foundation. Also a programming language will never be able to substitute another one if it is not able to call its vast number of libraries.

jonathanstrange 4y ago
I agree, the table refers to the intention of the language developers and how the languages feel, it's not about real substitution. For example, D was explicitly designed as a better version of C++ and also allows you to use C++ libraries directly, and Zig is explicitly intended as a modern substitute for C. As for V, it delivers quite well for a language at such an early stage and has a growing community. IMHO, it's a great language.
- Strum355 4y ago
  Still would not use V myself, its the prime example of overmarketing of impossible features, silencing of critics online etc
  - 10241024 4y ago
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- suprfnk 4y ago
  It might be better now, but these posts from a few years ago painted a very different picture: https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23 https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23 https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-03 https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-03 https://xeiaso.net/blog/vlang-update-2020-06-17 https://xeiaso.net/blog/vlang-update-2020-06-17 They were doing very level-headed reviews of the language at that time, found that the claims were mostly unsubstantiated, and then got blocked by the V team. That did not inspire confidence at all, as you might imagine. I can completely understand OP when they are saying "V promised a lot of stuff as ready but has undelivered most of them and people lost trust." -- that was my view too. ----- Again, it might be better now. The V team might have delivered in the meantime. But I can definitely see where OP is coming from.
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    - suprfnk 4y ago
      I am not a "sleeper account". I posted a very calm and charitable take on my view, in it explaining that I understand OP's view. Nowhere did I smear the language, or troll, or do anything of the sort. You on the other hand immediately label me as a sleeper account and a troll, for only mentioning a few links to a webpage. Although I can understand being defensive by default if you get trolled a lot, I don't think this is a good way to win people over. It certainly is off-putting to me. ----- But anyway, content related: did Xe/Xena/Christine lie in their blog posts at that time? I've read other blog posts by them and those generally seem to be level headed, well written blog posts -- not spam or anything. Next to checking out the Vlang's website, those blog posts were my only exposure to the language at the time -- as you can imagine for a new language. ----- >> ...and then got blocked by the V team. > This appears to be more trolling, and just distortions or lies, as a setup to unload more spam links and misinformation. Is the image in the tweet in the last post not correct? That Xe got blocked by @v_language? Or is that not the official Twitter account? You have to remember, I'm just an outside observer -- and all I see is a person testing the claims a language does, finding they are mostly unsubstantiated, and getting blocked in the process.
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        suprfnk 4y ago
        Haha, alright man. Still with the alt/sleeper account. Cool. I'm just some guy from the Netherlands trying to get a calm conversation going. I don't feel like any of my posts have been in any way inflammatory. You seem way too defensive to have any useful conversation with, so I won't bother any more. Good luck with vlang!
10241024 4y ago
Since you are comparing Zig with V: > V promised a lot of stuff as ready but has undelivered most of them This is wrong. V has an online playground, a package manager, hot code reloading and a REPL whereas Zig doesn't even though Zig is twice as old. > If V was truthful like Zig, it would be able to create a foundation Raising money doesn't lead to adoption, though. By this logic, C isn't truthful either since it doesn't have a foundation. > Also a programming language will never be able to substitute another one if it is not able to call its vast number of libraries How is this relevant? Both Zig and V can call C code and leverage C's ecosystem of libraries.
dang 4y ago
This comment started a hellish flamewar. Please don't start programming language flamewars on HN. Last thing we need here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

jonathanstrange 4y ago

I agree, the table refers to the intention of the language developers and how the languages feel, it's not about real substitution. For example, D was explicitly designed as a better version of C++ and also allows you to use C++ libraries directly, and Zig is explicitly intended as a modern substitute for C. As for V, it delivers quite well for a language at such an early stage and has a growing community. IMHO, it's a great language.

Strum355 4y ago
Still would not use V myself, its the prime example of overmarketing of impossible features, silencing of critics online etc
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suprfnk 4y ago
It might be better now, but these posts from a few years ago painted a very different picture: https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23 https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vaporware-2019-06-23 https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-03 https://xeiaso.net/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-03 https://xeiaso.net/blog/vlang-update-2020-06-17 https://xeiaso.net/blog/vlang-update-2020-06-17 They were doing very level-headed reviews of the language at that time, found that the claims were mostly unsubstantiated, and then got blocked by the V team. That did not inspire confidence at all, as you might imagine. I can completely understand OP when they are saying "V promised a lot of stuff as ready but has undelivered most of them and people lost trust." -- that was my view too. ----- Again, it might be better now. The V team might have delivered in the meantime. But I can definitely see where OP is coming from.
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  - suprfnk 4y ago
    I am not a "sleeper account". I posted a very calm and charitable take on my view, in it explaining that I understand OP's view. Nowhere did I smear the language, or troll, or do anything of the sort. You on the other hand immediately label me as a sleeper account and a troll, for only mentioning a few links to a webpage. Although I can understand being defensive by default if you get trolled a lot, I don't think this is a good way to win people over. It certainly is off-putting to me. ----- But anyway, content related: did Xe/Xena/Christine lie in their blog posts at that time? I've read other blog posts by them and those generally seem to be level headed, well written blog posts -- not spam or anything. Next to checking out the Vlang's website, those blog posts were my only exposure to the language at the time -- as you can imagine for a new language. ----- >> ...and then got blocked by the V team. > This appears to be more trolling, and just distortions or lies, as a setup to unload more spam links and misinformation. Is the image in the tweet in the last post not correct? That Xe got blocked by @v_language? Or is that not the official Twitter account? You have to remember, I'm just an outside observer -- and all I see is a person testing the claims a language does, finding they are mostly unsubstantiated, and getting blocked in the process.
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      - suprfnk 4y ago
        Haha, alright man. Still with the alt/sleeper account. Cool. I'm just some guy from the Netherlands trying to get a calm conversation going. I don't feel like any of my posts have been in any way inflammatory. You seem way too defensive to have any useful conversation with, so I won't bother any more. Good luck with vlang!

10241024 4y ago

Since you are comparing Zig with V: > V promised a lot of stuff as ready but has undelivered most of them This is wrong. V has an online playground, a package manager, hot code reloading and a REPL whereas Zig doesn't even though Zig is twice as old. > If V was truthful like Zig, it would be able to create a foundation Raising money doesn't lead to adoption, though. By this logic, C isn't truthful either since it doesn't have a foundation. > Also a programming language will never be able to substitute another one if it is not able to call its vast number of libraries How is this relevant? Both Zig and V can call C code and leverage C's ecosystem of libraries.

dang 4y ago

This comment started a hellish flamewar. Please don't start programming language flamewars on HN. Last thing we need here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html