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>You just repeated the same things. Yes, I will repeat the evidence as long as you keep ignoring it, makes sense doesn't it? >That's does not make Israel a te

>You just repeated the same things. Yes, I will repeat the evidence as long as you keep ignoring it, makes sense doesn't it? >That's does not make Israel a terrorist state. Doing acts of terrorism for 70+ years doesn't make Israel a terrorist state!? Then what does? >But the US has done some pretty horrible things too. That doesn't make it a terrorist state either. Whataboutism + Non sequitur. >Now Hamas is a literal terrorist state. Curious you don't mention that. It might have something to do with your preconceived notions. I never claimed that they weren't, but you are still engaging in whataboutism. Curiously tho, you label them as terrorists without giving any evidence, while I have given you enough evidence that Israel itself is guilty of similar and much worse crimes, yet you label one as terrorist and refuse the label for the other, little dishonest aren't you?! And hamas is as much or less a terrorist organization as the ukrainian azov are. Most people have the education to recognize that people have an internationally recognized right to defend their lands. That's why Palestinians have the right to resist israeli colonization, because it's self defense, while israel is fighting a war of aggression based on colonialist ambitions, the evidence has been given and I will continue to repeat the evidence as long as you keep ignoring it. It's clear by now that you have no interest whatsoever in making arguments based on evidence, but you rather follow a fixed narrative which you have chosen based on anything but evidence. This is clear to any objective follower and reader of the discussion.

eloff 4y ago
If those links are the best you can do, then I stand by my claims. Israel is not a terrorist state. Hamas is. While you are correct that one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist, it comes down to the details. Actively trying to kill non combat civilians for the purpose of inciting fear to achieve political ends is terrorism. What Israel does is horrible, but it's not terrorism. What Hamas does is also horrible, and it is terrorism. You can't just change the meanings of words when you like.
- jedimind 4y ago
  >If those links are the best you can do, then I stand by my claims. That's all you have: empty vapid rhetoric, no evidence, no arguments, just shallow childish claims. "Noam Chomsky: Israel’s Actions in Palestine are “Much Worse Than Apartheid” in South Africa" (https://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/8/noam_chomsky_what_israel_is_doing https://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/8/noam_chomsky_what_isra...) But what would the world renowned jewish Professor Noam Chomsky know am I right? We have eloff here who will just state his baseless opinion and that's much more worth than the actual evidence, right?/s Kinder-garden hour with eloff, so much fun, such intellectually stimulating arguments you have /s. >Actively trying to kill non combat civilians for the purpose of inciting fear to achieve political ends is terrorism. Finally, you admitted that Israel is committing acts of terrorism, the sanity prevails. >What Israel does is horrible, but it's not terrorism. What Hamas does is also horrible, and it is terrorism. There is the insanity again, your argument basically boils down to: I am pro Israel therefore their acts of terrorism are merely "horrible", but not terrorism because that would make Israel look horrible. Israel's colonized victim's on the other hand who do similar actions are always committing terrorism, because eloff said so, no evidence or explanation required, just trust eloff. >You can't just change the meanings of words when you like. Peak projection, anyone with an atom's weight of honesty can verify.
  - eloff 4y ago
    >Actively trying to kill non combat civilians for the purpose of inciting fear to achieve political ends is terrorism. Finally, you admitted that Israel is committing acts of terrorism, the sanity prevails. Give me one example of that then. I see Israel taking great care to avoid civilian casualties. Hamas on the other hand fires rockets and mortars at residential areas. That latter is clearly terrorism. Show me an example like that from Israel - that would be rare. That's why they're not a terrorist state. Your personal attacks are childish.
    - jedimind 4y ago
      >Give me one example of that then. For the 4th time: [Empire Files: How Palestine Became Colonized](https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4 https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4) Watch it, the documented evidence recorded about 1000x of the evidence you asked for. You keep asking for evidence just to ignore it and then absurdly keep asking for the evidence which has already been given, it's actual insanity. > I see Israel taking great care to avoid civilian casualties. Anyone who has studied this conflict knows this to be utterly false, even an outright lie. "Noam Chomsky: Israel’s Actions in Palestine are “Much Worse Than Apartheid” in South Africa" (https://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/8/noam_chomsky_what_israel_is_doing https://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/8/noam_chomsky_what_isra...) >Hamas on the other hand fires rockets and mortars at residential areas. That latter is clearly terrorism. Israel does the same and even much worse. The evidence has been documented, just because you keep ignoring it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. The documented casualty numbers make this crystal clear. >Show me an example like that from Israel - that would be rare. That's why they're not a terrorist state. I already delivered the evidence, you are just wilfully ignorant and choose to be blind to the documented evidence. Keep shilling, no educated human being will buy your washed up zionist propaganda - the documented evidence is just spread too far and wide with the help of the internet esp. with youtube, even if shills like cnn/bbc try their hardest to manipulate the people - it ain't working anymore. >Your personal attacks are childish. No, your behavior and rhetoric are childish, no one should be asked to deal with such obvious deception and gaslighting, yet here I am dealing with your shenanigans.

eloff 4y ago

If those links are the best you can do, then I stand by my claims. Israel is not a terrorist state. Hamas is. While you are correct that one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist, it comes down to the details. Actively trying to kill non combat civilians for the purpose of inciting fear to achieve political ends is terrorism. What Israel does is horrible, but it's not terrorism. What Hamas does is also horrible, and it is terrorism. You can't just change the meanings of words when you like.

jedimind 4y ago
>If those links are the best you can do, then I stand by my claims. That's all you have: empty vapid rhetoric, no evidence, no arguments, just shallow childish claims. "Noam Chomsky: Israel’s Actions in Palestine are “Much Worse Than Apartheid” in South Africa" (https://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/8/noam_chomsky_what_israel_is_doing https://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/8/noam_chomsky_what_isra...) But what would the world renowned jewish Professor Noam Chomsky know am I right? We have eloff here who will just state his baseless opinion and that's much more worth than the actual evidence, right?/s Kinder-garden hour with eloff, so much fun, such intellectually stimulating arguments you have /s. >Actively trying to kill non combat civilians for the purpose of inciting fear to achieve political ends is terrorism. Finally, you admitted that Israel is committing acts of terrorism, the sanity prevails. >What Israel does is horrible, but it's not terrorism. What Hamas does is also horrible, and it is terrorism. There is the insanity again, your argument basically boils down to: I am pro Israel therefore their acts of terrorism are merely "horrible", but not terrorism because that would make Israel look horrible. Israel's colonized victim's on the other hand who do similar actions are always committing terrorism, because eloff said so, no evidence or explanation required, just trust eloff. >You can't just change the meanings of words when you like. Peak projection, anyone with an atom's weight of honesty can verify.
- eloff 4y ago
  >Actively trying to kill non combat civilians for the purpose of inciting fear to achieve political ends is terrorism. Finally, you admitted that Israel is committing acts of terrorism, the sanity prevails. Give me one example of that then. I see Israel taking great care to avoid civilian casualties. Hamas on the other hand fires rockets and mortars at residential areas. That latter is clearly terrorism. Show me an example like that from Israel - that would be rare. That's why they're not a terrorist state. Your personal attacks are childish.
  - jedimind 4y ago
    >Give me one example of that then. For the 4th time: [Empire Files: How Palestine Became Colonized](https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4 https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4) Watch it, the documented evidence recorded about 1000x of the evidence you asked for. You keep asking for evidence just to ignore it and then absurdly keep asking for the evidence which has already been given, it's actual insanity. > I see Israel taking great care to avoid civilian casualties. Anyone who has studied this conflict knows this to be utterly false, even an outright lie. "Noam Chomsky: Israel’s Actions in Palestine are “Much Worse Than Apartheid” in South Africa" (https://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/8/noam_chomsky_what_israel_is_doing https://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/8/noam_chomsky_what_isra...) >Hamas on the other hand fires rockets and mortars at residential areas. That latter is clearly terrorism. Israel does the same and even much worse. The evidence has been documented, just because you keep ignoring it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. The documented casualty numbers make this crystal clear. >Show me an example like that from Israel - that would be rare. That's why they're not a terrorist state. I already delivered the evidence, you are just wilfully ignorant and choose to be blind to the documented evidence. Keep shilling, no educated human being will buy your washed up zionist propaganda - the documented evidence is just spread too far and wide with the help of the internet esp. with youtube, even if shills like cnn/bbc try their hardest to manipulate the people - it ain't working anymore. >Your personal attacks are childish. No, your behavior and rhetoric are childish, no one should be asked to deal with such obvious deception and gaslighting, yet here I am dealing with your shenanigans.