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> no one seems to be saying get rid of them Ok. But if you go back to the start of the thread I didn't say that and I'm not sure anyone else did either! I sai
by chrisseaton 4y ago
> no one seems to be saying get rid of them
Ok.
But if you go back to the start of the thread I didn't say that and I'm not sure anyone else did either! I said 'interested to see where they go next'!
> It's not like the Ukrainians have great gear.
They do have Western MRAPP for example (saw a photo of an Ridgeback surviving a Russian ambush.)
- greedo 4y agoIt's comparing like for like. You think tanks are obsolete for reasons XYZ, that all apply to all AFVs. Yes, the West has been slowly supplying vehicles[1], but most of the St. Javelin success was early during the assault on Kiev where TDF units crushed the Russian spearhead, riding in ATVs, trucks, whatever they could find. Since then they've been getting handmedowns from the West, which is glad to be rid of their MRAPPs due to high operating costs. [1] The West has been terrible in general about supplying AFVs to Ukraine. Other than old M113 and ancient Soviet gear, they seem hesitant to supply anything remotely modern. Germany has even balked at supplying Leo 1s that have been outdated since the late 60's/early 70's.
- chrisseaton 4y ago> You think tanks are obsolete Whoah there. That's not what I said. I don't think I've used that word once. I said I was interested in seeing where they go next. The UK sent Ridgeback MRAPP, and Ukraine seem happy, based on Tweets, with the protection they're giving in practice. Yes they were sent as they were being withdrawn anyway due to restructuring, but they were only about ten years old!