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> thanks in part due to possibly the greatest wartime PR campaign in history It's thanks to Russia attacking another country and ruthlessly killing, raping, an

> thanks in part due to possibly the greatest wartime PR campaign in history It's thanks to Russia attacking another country and ruthlessly killing, raping, and torturing other people. Russia also has state-backed PR but it doesn't work that well because it is them who invaded another country.

ceejayoz 4y ago
Agreed, but it'd be a mistake to dismiss the value of good PR for Ukraine. Zelensky's "I need ammo, not a ride" and Kyiv residents making Molotov cocktails sort of stuff in the early days was critical to generating sympathy and support, and them holding the high moral ground in things like treatment of POWs continues to be important.
riku_iki 4y ago
> It's thanks to Russia attacking another country and ruthlessly killing, raping, and torturing other people. there are many ongoing conflicts in the world, Syria and Libya for example. They don't receive that much attention.
- attentive 4y ago
  You don't seem to realize the scale of a full blown war. ruZZia throws at Ukraine everything it has except weapons of mass destruction i.e. nuclear, chemical and bio. The number of ballistic and cruise missiles, including capable of carrying nuclear weapons, fighter jets, tanks, artillery (rocket and otherwise) in use is astounding. This is a full scale war in invading other country not a "conflict".
  - riku_iki 4y ago
    > ruZZia throws at Ukraine everything it has except weapons of mass destruction i.e. nuclear, chemical and bio. so far both Libya and Syria received much more damage than Ukraine, where conflict is mostly localized on 20% of territory.
    - hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
      Unfortunately the so-called "civil" wars are often much bloodier than external invasions. And in cases like Syria there is even no hope of resolving the conflict anytime soon. The only good thing is that the intensity of the war dwindled somehow.
    - ziotom78 4y ago
      I don't know what happened in the US, but both the Libyan and Syrian conflicts got a lot of press coverage in Italian media.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  Don't underestimate the significance of Ukrainians being white Europeans. I'm not saying it's right, but being what they are helps Ukrainians capture the attention of the Western world a lot more effectively than victims of wars in the Middle East. Absent any propaganda, I think this war would still get more attention from Western nations for this reason. And besides the ethnic/race angle, it's also happening right on the doorstep of NATO, and is being perpetrated by the main adversary NATO exists to counter.
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
  Syria received almost exclusive coverage when the war broke out and refugees started arriving to Europe. Everybody was sympathetic and thinking what they could do.* But the situation was very different from the one in Ukraine, more like an uprising against a dictator and not a full-scale invasion. * Years passed, and it's still not clear to what the West could do (or have done).
  - riku_iki 4y ago
    > more like an uprising against a dictator and not a full-scale invasion. that's depends how you define full-scale invasion. Russia carries bombing campaign in Syria for 7 years already, with many iranian/turkish/hesbola troops on the ground.
  - bryanlarsen 4y ago
    When chemical weapons were used the US came very close to invading.

ceejayoz 4y ago

Agreed, but it'd be a mistake to dismiss the value of good PR for Ukraine. Zelensky's "I need ammo, not a ride" and Kyiv residents making Molotov cocktails sort of stuff in the early days was critical to generating sympathy and support, and them holding the high moral ground in things like treatment of POWs continues to be important.

riku_iki 4y ago

> It's thanks to Russia attacking another country and ruthlessly killing, raping, and torturing other people. there are many ongoing conflicts in the world, Syria and Libya for example. They don't receive that much attention.

attentive 4y ago
You don't seem to realize the scale of a full blown war. ruZZia throws at Ukraine everything it has except weapons of mass destruction i.e. nuclear, chemical and bio. The number of ballistic and cruise missiles, including capable of carrying nuclear weapons, fighter jets, tanks, artillery (rocket and otherwise) in use is astounding. This is a full scale war in invading other country not a "conflict".
- riku_iki 4y ago
  > ruZZia throws at Ukraine everything it has except weapons of mass destruction i.e. nuclear, chemical and bio. so far both Libya and Syria received much more damage than Ukraine, where conflict is mostly localized on 20% of territory.
  - hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
    Unfortunately the so-called "civil" wars are often much bloodier than external invasions. And in cases like Syria there is even no hope of resolving the conflict anytime soon. The only good thing is that the intensity of the war dwindled somehow.
  - ziotom78 4y ago
    I don't know what happened in the US, but both the Libyan and Syrian conflicts got a lot of press coverage in Italian media.
MichaelCollins 4y ago
Don't underestimate the significance of Ukrainians being white Europeans. I'm not saying it's right, but being what they are helps Ukrainians capture the attention of the Western world a lot more effectively than victims of wars in the Middle East. Absent any propaganda, I think this war would still get more attention from Western nations for this reason. And besides the ethnic/race angle, it's also happening right on the doorstep of NATO, and is being perpetrated by the main adversary NATO exists to counter.
hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
Syria received almost exclusive coverage when the war broke out and refugees started arriving to Europe. Everybody was sympathetic and thinking what they could do.* But the situation was very different from the one in Ukraine, more like an uprising against a dictator and not a full-scale invasion. * Years passed, and it's still not clear to what the West could do (or have done).
- riku_iki 4y ago
  > more like an uprising against a dictator and not a full-scale invasion. that's depends how you define full-scale invasion. Russia carries bombing campaign in Syria for 7 years already, with many iranian/turkish/hesbola troops on the ground.
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  When chemical weapons were used the US came very close to invading.