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Your comment is a perfect example of what I was trying to head off: people that... - don't live here (it appears you live in Europe?) - don't know anything abo

Your comment is a perfect example of what I was trying to head off: people that... - don't live here (it appears you live in Europe?) - don't know anything about the local politics - don't want to listen when anyone tries to tell them - don't know much about the justice system (including the difference between jail vs prison) - use ham-fisted statistics like national incarceration rates but... - don't account for enormous variables (hint: guns), or... - weighting of prior sentences (it's a rolling average obviously) But surprise! they want to squeeze every story into a large conversation so they can take the moral high ground against straw man arguments no one was making. Like this one: > Why would you not want more of your citizens to live fuller, more accomplished lives rather than rotting in shitty prisons? You took time out of your day to write that comment to some that told you they supported carceral reform. Heck, you even quoted me saying that I wanted carceral reform and thought "Nah, this guy needs my input about on whether we should let people rot in prison." Here's a policy recommendation: don't run your mouth on topics you don't know much about. Greetings from New York.

dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
What a civilized reply.
- ohyoucannotbe 4y ago
  Are you attempting to imply that it isn’t? “Civilized” replies need not stroke one’s ego, or to be positive in tone. Instead of trying to treat the conversation as having value to both parties it became another instant for you to come in and moralize about a situation you don’t understand. How incredibly arrogant of you. (I suppose you think being called out on your arrogance is also “uncivilized”; once more you would be wrong)
  - dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
    I define civilized as not resorting to rude assertions such as: > they want to squeeze every story into a large conversation so they can take the moral high ground against straw man arguments > Here's a policy recommendation: don't run your mouth on topics you don't know much about I am not insane in thinking this is an abrasive way of presenting one's arguments.
    - ohyoucannotbe 4y ago
      You seem to think that abrasive and civilized are mutually exclusive and they aren’t. We can be civil and yet abrasively disagree. That’s… sort of the point of civility. If you can’t handle discussing ideas or accept that you might offend others with your ignorance then perhaps don’t engage in conversations.

dj_mc_merlin 4y ago

What a civilized reply.

ohyoucannotbe 4y ago
Are you attempting to imply that it isn’t? “Civilized” replies need not stroke one’s ego, or to be positive in tone. Instead of trying to treat the conversation as having value to both parties it became another instant for you to come in and moralize about a situation you don’t understand. How incredibly arrogant of you. (I suppose you think being called out on your arrogance is also “uncivilized”; once more you would be wrong)
- dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
  I define civilized as not resorting to rude assertions such as: > they want to squeeze every story into a large conversation so they can take the moral high ground against straw man arguments > Here's a policy recommendation: don't run your mouth on topics you don't know much about I am not insane in thinking this is an abrasive way of presenting one's arguments.
  - ohyoucannotbe 4y ago
    You seem to think that abrasive and civilized are mutually exclusive and they aren’t. We can be civil and yet abrasively disagree. That’s… sort of the point of civility. If you can’t handle discussing ideas or accept that you might offend others with your ignorance then perhaps don’t engage in conversations.