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From my own search on this topic: Science can only do so much with the 'internal' meaning. All people I've read are inadequate or point to religion. Religions

From my own search on this topic: Science can only do so much with the 'internal' meaning. All people I've read are inadequate or point to religion. Religions, across the board, sure seems to be solely focused on purpose and meaning. If you want purpose outside yourself, I'd look to a religion or a group that functions similarly. I dug Alan Watts and the like for awhile. More recently have liked St Augustine and other apologetics. I know the concept religion causes raised flags but I do suggest that you are least give it an open mind while you search.

sabertoothed 4y ago
As an atheist, I obviously disagree. Purpose and meaning have to be based in truth, scientific truth, if you will. Otherwise, you run the risk of harming someone. Dogmatic belief systems based on revelation are risky at best.
- beardedetim 4y ago
  I am glad you found meaning in science and facts! Maybe I didn't read the right scientists. I couldn't get past what Plato would call 'shadows on a cave wall' when it comes to finding 'truth' but once again, I am probably not reading the right people or the 'right works'. If you have anything you'd recommend I'd love to read it.
  - sabertoothed 4y ago
    > I am glad you found meaning in science and facts! I did not say that. I think I said purpose and meaning need to be grounded in facts / science and should not be derived from belief systems based on "revelation" and other collective delusions.
    - beardedetim 4y ago
      I apologize for misunderstanding your statement. Thank you for clarifying! I'd still be interested in who you read that have lead you to this if you're interested in sharing more.
      - sabertoothed 4y ago
        Sam Harris is the one who comes closest to my world view and has shaped it quite a bit. He is one of the few who is careful with his words and emotions when articulating his arguments.
trollerator23 4y ago
That's fair, and what little I've come across seems to agree.

sabertoothed 4y ago

As an atheist, I obviously disagree. Purpose and meaning have to be based in truth, scientific truth, if you will. Otherwise, you run the risk of harming someone. Dogmatic belief systems based on revelation are risky at best.

beardedetim 4y ago
I am glad you found meaning in science and facts! Maybe I didn't read the right scientists. I couldn't get past what Plato would call 'shadows on a cave wall' when it comes to finding 'truth' but once again, I am probably not reading the right people or the 'right works'. If you have anything you'd recommend I'd love to read it.
- sabertoothed 4y ago
  > I am glad you found meaning in science and facts! I did not say that. I think I said purpose and meaning need to be grounded in facts / science and should not be derived from belief systems based on "revelation" and other collective delusions.
  - beardedetim 4y ago
    I apologize for misunderstanding your statement. Thank you for clarifying! I'd still be interested in who you read that have lead you to this if you're interested in sharing more.
    - sabertoothed 4y ago
      Sam Harris is the one who comes closest to my world view and has shaped it quite a bit. He is one of the few who is careful with his words and emotions when articulating his arguments.

trollerator23 4y ago

That's fair, and what little I've come across seems to agree.